okay, so i read this but would rather talk to you in private about things since there are mutual groups we are in that bot. does that mean we should leave? what about delegating or curation trailing these groups too? support is support right? does that take away from
the platform too or is it supporting groups that then support the community. recently, inwrote a post sbput how to help steem and that was the bottom line i deduced. support the community through unselfish behavior, many are selfish even noobs bc they see whales doing what they do. its up to all of us to carry our load and set an example. i stopped self upvoting for about 3-4 weeks now. i baby bot, usually no more than $5-8, its usually the $20-200 and up that greed apoears. yet many i know have delegated to these types of ppl and see nothing wrong with it. is that not supporting selfish behavior and a tendency to “rape the pool?”
That's an interesting subject you bring up, because a giant community bot has a similar effect. However, if the community has the effect of increasing engagement in the platform, or some other way of providing value, I wouldn't see that as a bad thing. So in short, yes, it's the same too. But at least communities strive for engagement, and that I think that already provides value. I also rather like the idea behind SBI because it encourages participants to spread it around, e.g. engagement. So I'm not condemning all bots, I am questioning whether funds earned from supporting a bid bot are justified. I don't believe it is (well, assuming we can get rid of their promotion justification, which I also think is possible)
But yes we can of course chat in discord as well.
yes, i've been struggling with the bid bot thing and groups that openly use them. some condemn them and claim they "hate" them yet many create them. i feel they are good in a group as it assists with engagement. since i learned how to use them, i feel as long as they are not abused then why not, its our money to do with as we please, right?
i see people misusing these tools on the daily and no one says a word, even to some that are our associates. i dunno, its something i struggle with but try not to go too deep as to be discouraged. everyone who helped me on here (along with a lot of hard work), got me to where i am in 6 months time. it was people like you who gave me excellent advise, so most things you write or are written that makes sense I'm definitely going to take into consideration. thank you for always putting good work out. from, your admirer. Eagle
I would hesitate to say "it's our money to do as we please" as a general argument because people argue similarly "it's my stake to do what I want", to which I say, well of course it is, but in aggregate the behavior (self voting, vote selling, and delegations to bid bots) is bad for the platform (because we all can't do it).
I would also say that I don't believe bid botting really assists in user engagement. It's really more like a nasty wart that behaves in unpredictable ways unless you know exactly what you want to get out of it.
i did preface that to say "no to abuse." i see people that we have supported botting from $20-$200 a pop and people delegate and support that. so are we really checking to see we support because then are they or are they not supporting what "we feel is right?"
there were many in our groups initially supporting bid botting and vote selling. that was the only reason why i got into bid botting to begin with. i have never sold my votes.
we get back to the delegating to those groups that bid bot and that is what i meant by "user engagement." and you stated above with the following:
"increasing engagement" ...
that sure is a funny way of saying it "a nasty wart."
if this is the case then does that mean we need to stop supporting groups that has Warts? Haha
I wanted to point out that "do what we want because it's ours" isn't necessarily justified.
But one other quick thing: I'm more sympathetic to bidders because they usually don't make anything from it.
And as I mentioned elsewhere, groups using bid bots for promotion purpose have no alternative for paying for exposure right now. I want to change that.
i see, very good points and of course i listen to you wholeheartedly. :)