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RE: My wife asked me: "What the hell are you doing?" And I answered "I have to save Steemit!" 🤣
Thanks for your post, and thoughts :)
So, do you consider this issue to be resolved, or resolving? Or do you consider it to remain a problem?
Some people seem to believe that someone is already solving this problem behind the scenes, removing these accounts' power to downvote? Is that true? If so, will it stop the problem permanently?
This is an interesting view on camille by @reveur:
Regarding the bots in the botnet you might have noticed they never post.
thus reputaion will never increase as it only increases when someone with a rep higher than yours and enough SP votes your content.
They dont post to avoid that all flaggers in steemit downvote their post and therefore thay cannot loose or win reputation.
On the other hand they will by powering up the dust (0.001) tranfers grow over years so some meaningfull SP but mathematically if they received 0.001 a day (this is a tenth of a cent of steem) they will need three years (1000 days) of daily memo dust to achieve 1 SP...
It is true that steemit is delegating some small amount to them but even then they remain pretty much powerless, remember that also dust transactions (votes and the such) are mostly non taken into account, so they will need to hit you with 1000 accounts to actualy remove 0.001 rewards from your posts.
They from a witness point of view bloat the blockchain with their thousand of transactions (for the blockchain each action from an account counts as a transaction)
A tipical vote is written in the blockchain like a JSON object:
{voter: xxxx, percentage: 100, votee: yyyy
(not exactly but lose)
count the caracters and multiply by the number of votes by the number of botsand that is the amount of bites the blockchain grows due to their activity.
So still not enough for those who can do something to act... and to be honest there is not much anyone can do without breaking the blockchain principle... Steemit could in a HardFork disable the accounts but that is like the worse blockchain SIN anyone can commit, because who decides who is next.... This is a weakness of the blogging blockchain platforms where damaging users are protected by the blockchain credo.
It is technically possible to disable the accounts but then everyone will feel unsafe to have funds in case it happens to them.
He's right about the last part, and I've mentioned this too. The only obvious fix for this is for someone with authority or power to manipulate/break the settings and rules of the blockchain. This brings the question, who watches the watchers? Banning or deleting people (which has already been done on Steemit many times) is a slippery slope, and takes us far far away from decentralization, the core of our project here.
THAT is one of the big threats of this bot army, not simply that they create negativity, spam the blockchain with actions, tarnish good posts, and will eventually grow to be a bigger threat.... but that something will have to be done about them. I'm afraid of what that something might be.
I'm with you on that one! 👌
Hi @drutter, I have been talking to @jaguar.force on Discord. He will invite you and give you an update. I am technically not good enough😒
@drutter, are you on Discord? Pls give me your user.
Thanks! I'm not very good with Discord, but I'll certainly try :)
My name there is the same.
I appreciate you staying on the issue. Any new accounts in the army today?
Yes, constantly new one one's coming. @themarkymark gave me a link to github: https://github.com/steemit/redeemer-irredeemables/blob/master/20191022.steemitdefenseleague.txt but I am just too dumbass to drop my list there😂
Wow man, that's quite a list. I doubt it contains every account, though. Seems like there's about 1000 and growing at this point, ugh.
By the way, I'm seeing another type of downvote account lately. Example: @fuk.themarkymark
Instead of attacking the entire platform with hundreds of tiny accounts, this is a single account, dedicated to attacking a single target.
This account DOES make posts and comments, so its targets will be able to retaliate (and already are). That means it will lose rep, and its comments will be harder to see, and it probably won't grow on its own. But it already has someone delegating 25 SP, and that could rise. Those SP can't be removed by downvoting, so in theory, downvote accounts like this can and will have a lasting effect.
I think I'll nickname this type of account "the tick". It latches on to a victim and drains it slowly.
You think it's camille?
Probably not. Why would it be?
Here's one that is: @tridimstroc
I didn't hear from jaguar.force yet.
@brigse is my latest addition to the bot army list.
I need the #1234 behind your discord name.. I think that channel is something 4u!👌😉👍