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RE: Did You Know: When you post using eSteem, 5% of rewards are disbursed to @esteemapp? Also, Self Voting Witnesses - a slippery slope, or a level playing field?

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I remember reading about the 5% for esteem. At that time I was afraid Steemit Inc. My try to do the same, also you might make a case that it would be useful to busy.org.

I really don't like automated vote for a witness!!! Not at all! Specially since most people here don't have the slightest idea about what is a witness. This is bad, in my opinion.

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I remember during the time I used to hang out in #witness at the chat, seeing that smooth and abit had auto vote bots that would pull votes when witnesses started missing blocks continuously, in the top 19. It was an interesting method of policing quality of service, but I didn't even think any further about what collusive witnesses could do, espsecially whales.

You should have been around during HF18. Some witnesses blatantly talking about the old boys network. Very consensus building on their part. Follow our lead or you're out of top 20.

I was not in any kind of state to do this work then. I moved here to Sofia, with the express intention of getting my health in order, which as the process progressed, it became clear first thing I had to attend to was getting entirely free of all drugs.

So, I'm gonna be using psychological provocation techniques, in fact, someone helpfully pointed me to a field manual from badquaker about how to do this kind of subversion in media. I already have a pretty good feel for what's involved, but every extra tool in the kit that fits a situation that no other works on, I'm going to do a proper Coyote/Loki on Steem.

The ability of active witness accounts to vote is now my highest priority, with self-voting generally eliminated at blockchain consensus level. I am making no secret of what I am doing, either, because I believe that the scoffing makes them more likely to fall for being tricked into making a confession, which then destroys their ability to continue their line of defence.

Could this even be hardcoded into the chain?

Pretty sure I even argued that point with Smooth and Abit. Also I said the schedule is not scalable it should be a curve based on active count. They said something about 'not wanting to be higher or lower. Yes, because they are 19 prisoners in a prisoners dilemma. Differences would accelerate the most persuasive and popular one, amongst them, to far too high a position.

Now I see how the game works, the solution is to not count the witness account's votes for witnesses. Then they again have to resort to secondary accounts and have the problem of their SP partitioning and the power down.

I'd maybe even go so far as to say that the 2 year power down would be good. Or at least 26 weeks. But maybe make the payments daily. You could even have a special power down condition for witness pay to further defeat this attempt at gaming it. dish out 2 years in daily pieces if they need to spend it. or weekly. 13 weeks has accelerated the equilibrium of the witness mutual vote dilemma.

Many interesting ideas there.

Actually you might want the witnesses to interact. The DPOS kind of assume they will react if something happen. Of course the 2/3 is enough to start they own chain but remember Steemit Inc or Busy would have to decide what they are going to show.

As I say, steemit only has to 'persuade' cooperation from 13 and they really have full control, and the witnesses will either play this game, or rat each other out (not vote) and whoever is better, and has more control, will win.

Part of the issue is that you can do this by provoking people's greed, getting them to do stupid things like exactly this farce of good-karma's, then you can use blackmail to manipulate them. But it's a whole nest of them. They have all amply demonstrated to me, in many instances I have provoked them into confirming their viciousness, and, really, do I need to do much more? I'm just gonna do analysis on the chain, and have this verified by multiple parties and a case can be thtrown against every one of them for running a racket.

And steem is over. They probably even have an exit strategy. You wouldn't believe how much they have creamed out of this. Most of it has been thanks to the big investors. This is why most of them are such grumpy bitches. Not just for being begged votes all day long, but being manipulated with vote gaming tactics.

I am now suggesting to the #steem-coop that we might need to add another HF rule as well as no direct self voting at blockchain consensus level - active witness account votes are omitted from the witness schedule calculations.

I thought, first, no self vote, and then, I realised, circle jerk, and then I realised - hey, they are getting paid as well.

Witness on Witness Akshun...

it'd make a good porno... The potential for witnesploitation is gobswaggling.

You need to vote for yourself to start a witness node, but yeah, at some point it can exclude your votes, but still keep you on the list.

No you don't. You just post an 'update_witness' command that sets your bias, witness post, interest rate and account fee.

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