RE: Update To Townhall Elections | What Exactly Is A "Working Group" And How Do We Nominate?
I have stated several times, on these posts and in the Discord chats, that voting needs to be open for at least 24 hours. This is a global community. Every user should have the same opportunity to cast a vote in a time frame that is equally convenient.
There’s no good reason why it needs to be capped at 12 hours. It just seems like a convenience decision by and for this working group. I would suggest to them to stop ignoring/dismissing this request by multiple users. This would not put any extra burden on anyone, especially since the votes will be cast by registered users via a bot and counting those votes will be done automatically as they are cast.
Expand the time to 24 hours and move on with the process. It’s really not that difficult. There are much bigger battles to fight and issues to resolve. This one is, by far, the easiest to figure out.
For as many who have said it should be 24hrs, just as many have said it should be less than 1hr to prevent voting manipulation.
Yes, this is a global community and that is why the current group decided to open up nominations 26hrs before the scheduled meeting while leaving voting open for 12hrs after the scheduled meeting. This is being very inclucsive to the global community in my opinion as well as the majority of individuals who have spoken up on the matter.
Yes, it could be longer to let people vote more leisurely.. but saying this allotted timeframe is unfair and exclusive is a reach at best. Yes, it might mean individuals will have to actually set a reminder to do it, I don’t think that is an unacceptable request.
Also, no.. nothing about this voting process is automated as everything will have to be reviewed manually, everything.
Leaving it open for longer causes more issues than the benefit of extending for convenience sake. As has been stated many times, this method will only be used for this specific election and in the future will be more of an open timeframe.
As you are someone who has been observing the working group pretty closely I feel that
Is an extremely unfair representation of what this group has been doing in any decision they have made. We have welcomed feedback and tried to accommodate all reasonable requests. The goal is a fair and open election, if a request has the potential to negatively impact that goal, it will not be implemented.
I hope you see the work we are doing, the push for openness and transparency in every single aspect even though that makes our job harder. I hope you see we are trying to do what is best for this community and are working pretty hard to do so. And with that being known or seen, I hope you can come to understand or accept our decision in this matter.
I’m a little confused here. You keep saying things like, “This is just an election for the next working group,” but then you’re worried about “vote manipulation?” How do you reconcile the notion that it isn’t that important of an election with the fear that it could be manipulated, so a tighter voting window is needed?
Also - what can’t be manipulated inside of 12 hours that would more likely be manipulated over 24 hours? And considering the bot registration, how is this even a concern for what is currently only a couple of hundred potential voters?
Regarding that, my prior comment was...
Meaning - the bot is registering the users, not casting the votes. (I could have worded that better.)
And...
The votes will be recorded by emojis, which are numbered as they come in and are counted by the Discord server. You’re not hand-counting thousands of ballots. A group of 10+ should be able to handle the job adequately.
I keep seeing excuses about why the vote can’t be extended to better accommodate global users, but I’m not seeing any rationale for that, other than some vague references to potential “manipulation” and the attitude of “Because this group agreed on it!” You’ve been given plenty of examples of how your 12-hour window could/would be insufficient.
The statements continually being made about what people should be able to do in other time zones and other countries - with lower qualities of life and far less infrastructure - is quite presumptuous and does not at all accurately reflect their reality.
As your statements have not accurately reflected this situation or the work of the group. I didn’t say it was an “unimportant” role. I said it was for a non leadership, temporary position and therefore a week long on chain vote didn’t seem needed. Neither did a 24hr discord vote, as that method has known issues.
In fact, I would argue the initial election was sufficient enough and we could be moving on to actually getting some stuff done, but for the sake of the community and full transparency.. here we are.. arguing about whether every single person in every single region can make this specific vote time.
I appreciate the concern and understand it, but the reasons given as in someone has to go to work so they can’t vote seem a bit of a reach. In official elections to elect the president of the country, 24hrs aren’t given to vote. I feel you are making a big deal out of something quite small. I’ve heard no one actually say they can’t make it.. actually wait.. they did (stoodkev), so we took his suggestion and did the absentee nominations before. It seems everyone is concerned about hypothetical situations that could occur and as it’s coming from only a few, speaking loudly.. I’m not actually convinced it’s an actual issue.
Yes sure, the 11 of us should be able to take care of it, and we are. While many are just trying to find issues with everything that is done. I don’t have much more to say, other than we have been extremely inclusive and accommodating and those facts won’t change no matter how much you try to twist the narrative.. it’s all on chain.. and in an open discord, it’s irrefutable.
We voted on the timeframe with lots of input from the community and I personally feel it was the right choice. With that being said, Im only one person of the group and with the very loud concern from you, I’ll bring it up for another discussion. That’s all I can do and can’t promise anything will change.
I would ask as one human being to another, that you stop making unfactual statements about the integrity of this volunteer group though, because they couldn’t be farther from the actual things that are occurring. It’s insulting and unwarranted. Stick to the facts.