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RE: Downvote Pool Deep Dive

in #steem6 years ago

The ability to downvote already creates a dystopia in which those who have the most money can censor those who don't. And now you want to make that easier?

Every single tiny change made to the blockchain and to the mechanics of Steemit send waves of uncertainty through the economy and in the long run is VERY bad for Steem. Stop tinkering. There's only TWO things Steemit Inc should be focusing on

MIRA

PRESS RELEASES

Do you guys even have a marketing director?

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Because curation is censorship.

Gawd where do you guys come from with this nonsense?

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Downvoting is curation?????

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Exactly, downvoting rates things. That's curation. That's also free expression, much like booing and jeering is.

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Soooooo... censorship is "free expression". Got it.

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No, censorship is removing or altering content and or suppressing freedom of expression. There is no "freedom to not be curated to the bottom", capiche. Reviewing something as crap, rating something as zero stars, even if it causes the item to be burried at the bottom of the list if items is not censorship, but freedom of expression.

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Psychologically speaking, negative reinforcement is the least effective means of persuasion. If it were, murder would have ceased when death became the punishment.

People who boo and jeer simply have run out of words.

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the problem is not the opinion. The problem is the power law distribution giving the vote a weight. The vote now represents the stake the person voted holds. Not the intelligence, not logic but only the stake.

And why should the stake leverage your opinion? Why is that beneficial for exploring quality content and making social decisions within the DAO? It isn't. One person -one vote --> equal distribution of the social layer --> counteracting the clustering in the 21 Witness dPOS System = effective decentralisation.

This is exactly would those people don't get. Decentralization is a binary property (either you have a central authority or you dont). Distribution is vanilla. The redundancy comes from a combination of both properties.

when you have a decentralized dPOS System with 21 super-representatives but without equal distribution of power --> you end up with a consortium chain/ a concentrated piece of shit. But they don't get it :)


the inventor of Steem gets it, but what does he know?

That is not true at all.

https://www.psychestudy.com/behavioral/learning-memory/operant-conditioning/reinforcement-punishment/negative-punishment

Furthermore, laws weren't ever intended to prevent crime. Get that nonsense out of here. Punishment is not to prevent but to repremand. Laws are there to punish not to prevent.

It does not matter why you think that people boo and jeer, strawman, all that is important and relevant is that they are free to do so and it never becomes censorship.

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Explain how this is "curation":

It does not give too many additional resources to users that will use/abuse all that we give them and frees up normal users that may not be downvoting to do so without financial penalty.

No, explain how expressing dislike is censorship. Go.

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A big enough down vote causes the post to be hidden. "Duh"

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Hidden is not censorship, especially when you can easily reveal it and it's the most intriguing item among the rest of the items, conspicuous since no other items have a BUTTON THAT SAYS 'REVEAL'. If you consider that censorship that's fine, no critical thinking, rational individual in my opinion will conclude that the item is censored when nothing is altered and anyone, I mean anyone, can very easily see the item and essentially it's more curiosity peaking than all other items by it's very "censorship".

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Enough targeted downvoting from big enough accounts would cause anyone to leave Steemit. How is that NOT censorship? Go:

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Not me. I welcome it and I'm happy to be the most interesting item, distinguished as "hidden", and completely understand the Streisand Effect which is exactly why I never whined even about the Flag Wars and flags I received. No ammount of booing and jeering is censorship. No ammount of thumbs down, negative reviews is censorship, 8t's actually the opposite, it's freedom of expression.

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p.s. I'm not the one downvoting you. I don't really downvote as I don't see the point in it. And honestly I would rather people could see your side of the conversation so it's actually quite unfortuante that all your comments have been downvoted in this way.

I'm not bothered, the people who have a sense of curiosity will seek out my comments first. I know why I got downvoted, I told @berniesanders to eat a dick twice, once on his own post and once on the steemit blog post about the Keychain being merged into condenser. The point is, ironically, that no one can censor you. There are numerous people who self censor so they don't tag @berniesanders, others who won't even dare to mention him, @berniesanders, but the fact remains that he isn't forcing them, and that censorship isn't someone booing or jeering at you, or someone rating you poorly, or making you comment hidden. I know, I have been censored by numerous people for speaking the truth in the face of their lies on Facebook, I was censored on there by Facebook as well before it was the cool status of rebels the world over. I have no delusion about what censorship is and despite being flagged by @berniesanders with his bots numerous of times, I will still defend his right to jeer and boo, even if I don't agree with it.

I think you should really consider what downvoting is. It's a form of punishment, and punishment is a very, if not the most potent form of negative behavior modification that exists. Yes encouragement and rewards benefit positive behavior, but no ammount of it will curb negative behavior. Downvoting is also the best, most effective way to make people who are primarily here for rewards, to rethink their approach to steem, especially if they are leeching, since such behavior will undermine everyone's rewards given enough time and enough leeching. So downvote, and even threaten to do so, the point of it should only be lost on people like me, who see rewards as a bonus but not a necessity since speaking the truth is my reward.

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Hiring an actual economist might be a good idea too.

@RT-international came, they were not able to make any news out of that extraordinary chance...

I'm not surprised at all.

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