RE: Progress being made
Now you are getting me depressed. That vision is exactly why I got here. I think I bought 3X the Steem after that hardfork just because I liked it so much.
I have a really small hope that when SMTs are sorted, we won't need to fork or change the rules to solve anything. Someone can just have an SMT for 'quality content' (can be subdivided more). Another SMT can exist for 'verified individual'. A third can exist for 'real name person". Finally, the last one I envision (asides from casino and games) is the bidbot shit token. Personally I don't have high hopes for that token which is why they need to leech off all the others. I honest think we are headed to a Steem where Steem won't have inflation and a particular SMT will. The idiots wise investors can trade for Tron and I'll trade for the Patreon or curation one.
I'd prefer to see a consumer driven model, exactly like we have now, where incoming funds outpace inflation.
If I was a big internet personality, I'd have my own SMT. But at this point I don't want to say what I'd do with it. I don't feel like being that helpful.
Every single one of these Steem Engine tokens is missing one element as well. The consumer. Producers supporting producers means no new money is coming in, aside from a random speculator.
I've been talking about this stuff for years though.
The idea of the consumer is really interesting and you are right, for the most part this is just an authors and curators model. Some of the investors and developers think the consumers will be gamers or dapp users. They think of content like streaming may also attract an audience. We are here as you said because everyon has ran away.
I have found one-side on this debate that is worth mentioning...the people who are not here for the money or the general community (michaelb said something like he just wants to get back to reading and curating what he was doing before). They found their little happy place and simply don't care for the drama anymore. I really want to find that place. I think a semiclosed Community and an internalized SMT would make it happen, but I also have no energy to set that up. I have hope someone will so let's not abandon or torch the place till it happens.
The consumer is the curator. Of course there will be consumers of games and everything else. Micheal is one of the first who gets what I'm talking about. He bought in so he can get paid to enjoy himself. Plus he's not throwing his money away donating to content producers. We'll lose people like that if we can't keep them entertained. Millions of those people are necessary, even if they only buy enough stake for a vote worth a penny.
There are certain authors who I hang around more for the discussion than the content, but that's my viewing style. Others are passive readers who like the comments, and still, others just want the content. Let's hope this can continue somewhere. There are definitely millions of people who would pay a few hundred dollars to get a vote worth enough to have a better chance of getting noticed. Pay to shout above the crowd, perhaps get rewarded for it if others really like it, risk being downvoted if it is obnoxious.
The consumer pays to have a vote worth something, not the producers....
A bunch of self voting rich folks with nothing good to say does not attract millions of consumers. Talent does. One should be able to build up a following of thousands of consumers willing to vote and those votes should be worth something because the consumer paid. When the consumer is done, they can have their money back, plus whatever else their earned in rewards, or they can spend a month enjoying content and use the rewards to pay their internet bill.
What you're saying is backwards. One million content producers all self voting means nobody is reading or watching.
Sorry, my point was unclear. I was thinking the consumers would pay to get their opinion on their content noticed or to reward the content producer via curation. Not to uovote their own stuff. For example sort comments by size of upvote.
A lot of youtubers produce content specifically for their patreon supporters and amswer super chat questions first.
Ideally I try to answer everyone who leaves genuine feedback, but if I had millions of followers I would want to prioritize those who pay the piper to a certain degree.
Oh. Another thing.
Dividing up content is a bad idea. Only big names should have their own space. You want it all in one space, leading down rabbit holes, overstimulating senses and find ways to create impulse clicks. Much like we've always had.
The only true problem we've ever had: Unrealized potential.
I agree, this is where I want to see the true whales through their energy into. I see a few divisions that may be a good idea. I think there may be a place for Tron at some point.
But much like I wasn't there with my ideas and thoughts a few days ago. I don't think Justin, Steem or Tron are quite there either.
Back to what you said earlier - Egos.
Big names, big brands. There's enough interest there for them to have their own space. A community with thousands of producers is useless without millions of consumers. Joe Rogan. Puts a podcast up on Youtube daily. His comment section has thousands of comments. One act sells out a stadium.
That would be great and the way Steem is set up there could be multiple posts with multiple debates and discussions going on regarding the video, so the potential is huge once we get something that draws the crowds. Not only will the content creator get well rewarded, but the people producing and eliciting quality feedback, too.
Have you seen the youtube comments section? It makes the worse communities here look alright. A bit of incentive to improve that combined with awesome content could be a very good recipe, especially for content producers who would be suited for this environment.
Yeah, pretty much. New content pinned to the top, main comment is a post, popular comment trends high, with feedback and comments under, just like Youtube. The value distribution trickles down and the consumers who actually staked get rewarded/give rewards. That's why I was such a huge fan of 50/50 and I also know 10/90 would still make a content producer earn a decent income provided they had enough of a following, and a large following would need a larger percentage in order to earn curation fairly. It's all a numbers game.
I'm impressed you can see this now. Even a brand releasing a new product has the same potential.
Communities that provide material to the consumer from a range of writers/producers/creators should be treated like independent magazines. Whoever is running that community should be out recruiting talent and offering deals in the form of guaranteed income on top of the consumer votes that author receives. Authors shouldn't be selling themselves short either. The professional business standpoint would be something like my work draws eyes to your community and those eyes are valuable to your community. I shouldn't give those eyes to you for free.
Are we even allowed to take a professional business stance here though? Probably not now, while this place is in it's infancy/about to fall apart and be destroyed.
Yeah I get your point now and it's visionary. Ideally I would think communities can choose their split/payout and SMT will allow that. Who cares what the weird communities are up to?
I know the gaming community has similar ideals. If you ever played a phone game with soft and hard currency, you would know what I'm talking about.
It's sad it was all sold to Tron, but I think there is possibly enough development already to get out of there.
It will just be a shock to those for the community that don't produce great or sellable content.
The rewards somewhat reflect reality, but yeah long way to go especially if what you mention is ever realized.
I don't think inequality in this semse is a problem. If someone wants to make a living off content, it best be really good. That's likely to take a lot of work. The creative industry is really tough.
Here we have a mix of AI/bot/farm and creative. It needs to separate. They like leeching more than us, but they're still useful tk develop.