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RE: My Personal Thoughts - Steem/Tron Saga

in #steem2 years ago (edited)

That was long, but I am enjoying listening to people chat on the subject.

As far as Tron voting for its own witnesses, I think it's fair to mention that they did this allegedly due to 3 Super Reps refusing to respond to requests to upgrade their boxes. I'm pretty sure (prior to 2 weeks ago anyway) that if any of our top 20 didn't respond when new code was put forward, they would be out in a matter of days.

Anyway, I was pretty confident that this move on Tron would mean battle stations over here, and the rest as they say, is history.

Personally, I don't think Justin is not going to go for any middle ground (partial burn, SPS donations) and think the only outcome here is a HF. Short term pain for long term gain, I hope.

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Yes that was their response to the Tron communities outrage.. just like the Hardfork’d the Steem chain to protect it from hackers 🙂

I don’t know much more than what I’ve heard from those within Tron on the matter - that that excuse was bs

lol, well I know the 'hackers' talk was absolute shite, but I've yet to see someone show that 3 Super Reps were or were not running old software for a month before Tron booted them out with 3 socks.

If I knew where to look I would do some digging.

I’ll see if I can get anything sent your way

'm pretty sure (prior to 2 weeks ago anyway) that if any of our top 20 didn't respond when new code was put forward, they would be out in a matter of days

That's just not correct. There are numerous cases (at least two I can think of immediately) on Steem where witnesses have refused to update to new code that was put forward and were not out in a matter of days.

The developers don't get to unilatearlly jam whatever code they want down the community's and witness's throats, except on a centralized sham of a chain like Tron.

The way the system works is that witnesses opposed to an update have the prerogative to not adopt it. It is then up to those who want it adopted to convince those against and/or make changes to address the concerns and attract broader support for it.

I'm no Ned fan but to his credit, apart from one exception, he actually respected this aspect of the system enough to refrain from using the Steemit stake to centralize the chain. Justin, on the other hand, appears to repeatedly show himself to be someone who wants to be a dictator, using any means he can to get his way regardless of what anyone else thinks.

Let me put it another way. If the vast majority, but not the supermajority of consensus witnesses had upgraded but there were a few who were uncontactable after repeated attempts, they would be out. I say this partly because our 'original' top 30 or so were so tightly bunched that one whale vote had the potential to make a difference.

This could be a moot point and not actually what happened over a tron, but i don't remember a time on Steem where the majority were held waiting for a month before uncontactable/silent consensus witnesses were finally ousted.

This could be a moot point and not actually what happened over a tron, but i don't remember a time on Steem where the majority were held waiting for a month before uncontactable/silent consensus witnesses were finally ousted.

That's entirely reasonable and correct, but ask yourself why it didn't happen that way on Tron.

Why didn't the other voters simply kick these SRs? Clearly they had some disagreement with Justin over whether that was needed or even advisable.

I wish I knew more about the situation. It’s strange to think that these 3(?) could keep themselves in consensus if the remainder didn’t support their non-action.

What they need is a place where the masses could document such a thing...oh...

Prior to the sale of Stinc to Tron, you think Stinc would have voted out those witnesses? Do cite priors. It's never happened before.

Well no, because they didn't.

Justin voting witnesses on the Tron network just a few days after buying Steemit Inc. was pretty unsubtle though.

I actually wrote about it being a test, as a complete joke, but the more things progress, the more i think it was an act to incite action from our previous 20.

Well, you made the point that Justin using the genesis stake to replace Tron Super Representatives was analogous to Steem witnesses being replaced for the same reason, and this would then involve not the community voting witnesses in or out, but Stinc.

It is not analogous at all, because the Tron voters didn't replace those witnesses. Sun did.

That's not what I meant.

I hear he used the genesis stake on Tron to boot out witnesses who refused to even respond 'for over a month' to any communication. And that this would never be the case here, with witnesses working together towards a code update, and the fact they were so tightly bunched. There is/was a slack for communication, and forks were generally adopted within a few hours once the first had switched.

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