I think we lost some 'frequent' top level contributors
A rough and ready analysis on the activity of our busiest shit-posters most active top level contributors.
I guess the question on the lips of many this week is something like: Did we lose spammers, real contributors, or a bit of both after HF 20? This is going to be pretty tough to find a definitive answer to and this content falls way short of that, but could be of interest anyway.
Busiest top level posters, pre and post HF 20
I gathered a list of accounts that posted over 10 times on the 10th September 2018, and yesterday, the 30th September 2018. The 10th was one of the busiest days of September with 10679 unique top level posters producing 46,640,157 characters of text. On the 30th September, 7102 unique authors produced 22,435,384 characters in top level posts.
10 was chosen as for the minimum number as I think that is very prolific, verging on spamming, and as it's my birthday. Apologies if you are on these lists and feel you are not spamming the blockchain.
It is likely that things are not back in full swing post fork (Resource Credits reloading / Spam bot script needs a restart). Perhaps another look (suggestions welcome) in a weeks' time would be useful.
10th September
| Account | Number of top level posts |
|---|---|
| jlkreiss | 262 |
| pranksters | 262 |
| satoshinakamotob | 262 |
| alex7899 | 163 |
| syeservices | 129 |
| rodulfox | 123 |
| anouar13 | 103 |
| g2b2018 | 77 |
| hellracer | 74 |
| dmaniabot | 70 |
| ninegagbot | 66 |
| altcoinernl | 65 |
| andiwarhol | 61 |
| steemplayroom | 48 |
| deny-d | 38 |
| cryptobble.com | 36 |
| amnlive | 30 |
| artchang1907 | 30 |
| watehulas | 30 |
| cryptobeanie | 27 |
| aarush89 | 25 |
| daytrade | 24 |
| buffalo-goku | 24 |
| loggiaonfire | 24 |
| kambuz | 24 |
| guidom | 23 |
| misrori | 23 |
| rongibsonchannel | 23 |
| ansie | 22 |
| steem.craft | 22 |
| twitter.news | 21 |
| animerssbot | 21 |
| bigbigtoe | 21 |
| newwork | 21 |
| einfluss | 20 |
| ghansham | 20 |
| cannuration | 20 |
| cryptomonitor | 20 |
| ancycruz | 20 |
| xvz | 20 |
| qyrtina | 19 |
| love568686 | 18 |
| steemit-bank | 18 |
| socioecohistory | 18 |
| techchain | 16 |
| jenishtalaviya | 16 |
| chairmanxi | 16 |
| caseystubbs | 15 |
| baby-owl | 15 |
| aarav24mr | 15 |
| ashikstd | 15 |
| lsn1406 | 15 |
| vihagthakur | 15 |
| soumya24 | 15 |
| whalebebe | 15 |
| meme.lover | 14 |
| jamesthompson143 | 14 |
| babnik07 | 14 |
| banglatech | 14 |
| digvijacha | 13 |
| kylorenjunior | 13 |
| imane27 | 13 |
| facerates | 13 |
| sandeep126 | 13 |
| pradeep.sidd68 | 13 |
| pasie15 | 13 |
| pinphotos | 12 |
| raziel.com | 12 |
| nayabali | 12 |
| onepracticalcat | 12 |
| domainname | 12 |
| kdmi | 12 |
| jehovahwitness | 12 |
| cryptoinvestbo | 12 |
| biking | 12 |
| christ-is-all | 12 |
| chuimui | 12 |
| automatio | 12 |
| a-00-0 | 12 |
| statsexpert | 12 |
| sethparker71992 | 12 |
| shinternational | 12 |
| stevejohnson9819 | 12 |
| tumuduktu | 12 |
| theinvisibleman | 11 |
| tkbudd | 11 |
| tr1c | 11 |
| steem-jackpot | 11 |
| steemwhalepower | 11 |
| yakamoz001 | 11 |
| alexjoneschannel | 11 |
| aziz96 | 11 |
| bitcoinnewsbull | 11 |
| dioritegravel | 11 |
| djreichterror | 11 |
| laciri | 11 |
| drag33 | 11 |
| me-tarzan | 11 |
30th September
| Account | Number of top level posts |
|---|---|
| jlkreiss | 47 |
| ninjas-hyper | 26 |
| loggiaonfire | 25 |
| bigbigtoe | 24 |
| bitcoinnewsvideo | 24 |
| buffalo-goku | 24 |
| misrori | 23 |
| steem.craft | 23 |
| steemitbuzz | 23 |
| commernce2 | 21 |
| pinphotos | 20 |
| bagusflyer | 18 |
| amnlive | 17 |
| ansie | 16 |
| baby-owl | 15 |
| whalebebe | 15 |
| truthseekernews | 14 |
| shinternational | 14 |
| guidom | 14 |
| donaa | 14 |
| fred777bear | 14 |
| bustillo | 13 |
| newhigh | 13 |
| votezilla | 13 |
| zurichtimes | 13 |
| steemplayroom | 12 |
| sandeep126 | 12 |
| statsexpert | 12 |
| priyamahajan | 11 |
| nahidshirazi | 11 |
| wstanley226 | 11 |
| dominion01 | 11 |
| garrettwallace | 11 |
| luba1966 | 11 |
| lucinta | 11 |
| kravas | 11 |
98 accounts produced more than 10 top level posts on the 10th September, whilst 'only' 36 accounts achieved this on the 30th.
The top 10 keenest posters produced 1525 posts between them on the 10th September, the top 10 managed 260 in total on the 30th, 83% less.
This looks like a reasonable start in reducing output of the most frequent posters. But, for today anyway, i'm not looking at comments (where the engagement takes place), and who's to say these accounts are or aren't producing 'good' content?
Starting from the top of the list taken on the 10th September:
jlkreiss - still the top posting account on the 30th, -8 reputation, 43 SP, 0.63% Resource Credits, currently on the @badcontent blacklist
pranksters - nowhere to be seen on the 30th, -6 reputation, 0.689 SP, 1.07% Resource Credits, currently on the @badcontent blacklist
satoshinakamotob - not present on the 30th, 0 reputation, 0.1 SP, 100% Resource Credits, currently on the @badcontent blacklist
alex7899 - not present on the 30th, 0 reputation, 0.1 SP, 4.56% Resource Credits, currently on the @badcontent blacklist
syeservices - not present on the 30th, 38 reputation, 29 SP, 4.56% Resource Credits 'recharging', currently on the @cheetah blacklist
It would take a reasonable amount of time to check each account individually, but it does seem that the top 5 posting accounts on the 10th are not putting their best foot forward. Of the top 5 on the list taken on the 30th, it looks like only jlkreiss is on a blacklist (so far).
Was that any use? I'm not sure.
I'm happy to see a vast reduction in both the number of prolific posters, and the amount of posts they are producing.
However, this is a rose-tinted data pull, i'm guessing many have stories to share showing a different side......
Cheers
Asher
Not being on steemit was like quitting a 20 year heroin habit, I was wandering around my apartment rearranging furniture and then putting it all back in the same place. I was having weird dreams and I would wake up and go to post on steemit and then remember it was down. It was kind of like requiem for a dream type of withdrawal hell
ha :)
did you read @meesterboom's posts, the ones relating to the HF were pretty amusing!
phew! good thing you can post again! that sounds terrible!
Is your house clean now?
Yeah but now I'm crazy
I am seeing less spammy comments so far... But who knows how long that peace will last.
Yes me too. But are there some 'real' people missing too?
This is going to be interesting when we see what happens to the associated comment numbers and then work out slightly more accurate engagement per post figures.
This makes for interesting reading
https://busy.org/@arcange/steemit-statistics-20180930-en
Looks like steem activity bounced back quite strongly
Good to see! A bounce back close to previous figures, with a 1000 less shit posters / bots would be great!
I think @paulag is the woman for this as i think she covers similar in a monthly post.
I'm wondering if the sincerity DB can be accessed - we could take the 'bot' accounts from there and compare activity pre and post fork.
yes sincerity can be accessed
Thanks for the link and data :)
To be fair, I'm not sure it's that big of a loss. If someone is posting 262 times per day then they probably have a bot doing it for them. Not likely that a person could publish that many by just sitting at a computer. it still does seem like things have slowed down though. It will be interesting to see how many of those accounts come back.
Yeah I think we are not losing the finest Steemians or content here.
Things have certainly slowed for me, but using arcange's hit parade as a guide, my leagues post was still ranked in the top 10 with less than 100 comments, this would not be the case normally.
Perhaps I'll update the post in a few days with new data as things seems to be picking up each day.
Things do seem to be getting back to normal. Hopefully that doesn't mean that the spam comes back too. That stuff is annoying.
nice- these are good findings. from my eyeing the accounts, i don't recognize any that seem familiar to me (though this is by no means definitive hehe.)
They could be moving in different circles but to not recognise one of them is a bit strange - that is the same for me btw. The ones I checked seem to be moving in their own circle :D
Very interesting. Note that the top "hanger on" after the fork still reduced his posting by about 80%. That's progress.
Well we know that restricting activity so severely based on SP is going to affect spammers, since they tend to take all their money out and leave themselves always with fairly low SP. They don't want to upvote anyone and make more getting others to upvote them than by self-voting.
Do you think there is a way you could collect data on moderate posters with average or better UA scores in this same way, pre and post fork?
I think it's important for us to get an idea of the cost-benefit of the change in cutting spam without cutting newbie participation.
This side of things show good progress to me too.
'moderate' doesn't compute very well, give me a number :)
I don't think a full list of UA scores is available yet, but i will ask.
Agreed. But lets face it, newbie participation has been reduced. What to exactly, I am not sure. Hopefully they can write a post a day, with a few votes and comments.
The goal, for non-investors who wish to blog/engage, is to read up and hit the ground running. One curie/dtube/utopian vote will give them much more freedom.
I can see discord becoming busier too as people wish not to 'waste' credits on chatter, instead saving their RCs for kick-ass comments (which are much likely to receive a vote).
I was turning back on my smartsteem autovote today and saw a new metric for allowing my vote to be used. It was the UA scores. That had a 2 as average. Actually average started somewhere around 1.7 buy I forget the exact number.
I'd be really interested to see that data. Not that it would be complete. The reality is, most people who are newish aren't even measured by UA scores. And the ones who are average are probably having 40SP or more like our surviving spammer above. Still, might be as close as we can come to having some indication of quality posters who have stopped posting.
Smartsteem has access to the UA data, I'm still waiting on a reply to see if a snapshot is available for the likes of myself.
The other day, I tested a few things on a new alt with 3 SP - @misterengagement.
They were able to create a posts, edit it twice, and comment twice. Editing seemed to cost the most in RCs. When it is fully charged, I will post and then comment and see how far it gets.
I see a few initiatives have sprang up asking for people to put their/others names forward for a small delegation. Looking at the replies, there are not many takers. Does this mean most people are 'OK' / still silenced / have left already?
I think it means most people don't want a second job of having to manually run the RC system instead of just having sound rules.
The people who would most need to put themselves forward are less likely to come across the invitation to or be able to comment to act on it.
I think one thing that keeps getting left out is the experience of the person who just joined Steemit or one of the other dapps. They don't know what's going on yet. They aren't in discord servers. They aren't following witnesses or even really knowing who they are. They just know that they can't do much on here before it says they're out of power. They don't even know when they are supposed to come back expecting to see it changed.
The red/blue bar STINC is using to highlight their posts to the entire community is good. I think anything speaking to real newbies to invite them to request more RC delegations should be in the comments on whichever of those posts is currently in the top bar, and folks should use self-voting to make sure their comments along those lines wind up at the top of the considerably long comment thread on those posts. And a way should be included to respond that doesn't require any RCs.
... also, forgot to ask, why did you use 3 SP as your standard?
I'm still trying to find out how much SP someone gets when they land on the Steemit site now and sign up on their own. What experience does that person wind up having right now?
3 SP used to be (pre-HF20) the minimum account size basically. You could create an account with 3 Steem, and that Steem would get powered up into the new account (so in essence it didn't cost anything, since the Steem was still there and just had been transferred from you to the new account) adn the new account with have 3 SP. So there are a ton of accounts with 3 SP out there
I worry about the new accounts. I was unable to post much myself, and I have been here almost a year. It effectively knocked me out of the engagement league, due to just a few posts a day. Some friends bailed me out, and loaned me steem enough to function, or I would not be here myself.
BUT, I have lost touch with several friends over seas, and one can only post every two or three days. I hope someone is still working on helping the newbies get access, because we NEED these new accounts! If they only have access to a "silent" blog, we Will loose them.
:'(Hi @smithlabs
Have you joined discord?
I would use this for general chat, and go for the 'big' stuff here, until you have the credits to type as much as you like.
Steemit was never meant to be a chat program, the Leagues may have contributed to that feel, rightly or wrongly.
Cheers!
Discord doesn't like my Linex OS, so I have ordered an android tablet to try there instead.
Have you lost contact with newbies (plankton, redfish, or pond scum) also? I was trying to bring some along from the Philippines, Germany, and some in the US, to make them feel welcome.
:'(Well, I am still here so it didn't get rid of all the trash. Lol.
You said it buddy! :D
Very interesting and promise metrics seen here. However, I still think it is too early to truly assess the impact to these accounts. I am also concerned with how much they adjusted resource credit regeneration in the last couple of patches as it could bring spam back. However, if we can figure out these queries to pull the correct data and determine abuse, it could help with the adjustment needed to the economy to not impact those accounts looking to add value to the ecosystem.
Me too. The 10x multiplication seems to have brought everyone back to life, even @misterdelegation with 3 SP can function.
This sure isn't terrible news, but I'll be curious how it all pans out over the next few weeks or so. And more so, if HF20 has affected engagement too. Is that possible to sort through?
With the 10x multiplier for all, I think we are in a much better place for new accounts being able to function. Of course, this has opened the door for spammers too. Finding the right parameters from the start was always going to be tough, time will tell if they are suitable.
I think Engagement on the blockchain will fall slightly, but only slightly. The engagement league may have pulled some interactions away from Discord, but I think most will agree that some of what is written here would be better off in a chat program.
Bingo. And very diplomatic too; you should be in politics Ash, although it's kind of like that here anyway, isn't it?! :)