RE: SPIRITUAL FOOD 4 THOUGHT - HOW COME JESUS DIDN'T GET THE MEMO?
Did you look at the article? Did you read the verses? Please tell me, from the Bible, my error.
I keep the Sabbath, I eat properly per the Bible, and I follow GOD's LAW as close as I am able. I have no plans to look for a Red Heffer ( I understand that they found the original ashes of the Red Heffer), although I have studied the 12 stones on the breastplate, because I have a interest in the stones themselves. I think if GOD wanted a new Temple here on Earth, he would make one. The important Temple is being prepared by Christ Himself, in Heaven. The one down here was a copy all along. But, I would love to see it, I will admit!
What have you seen on the 12 stones? Do you think the Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia?
I believe the mosque on the Dome of the Rock is an interloper, and GOD will destroy it; by water from underneath IMHO. I support Israel 100%, because the Bible tells us that is the right thing to do.
Be Blessed!
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Yes I did look at the article and I read the verses. The error is in thinking there is such a thing as Mosaic law. There is no Mosaic law, there is only the Torah, that is the law of God, that is all the laws/commands/instructions God gave to men found in Genesis thru Deuteronomy. No laws have been done away with. To think any laws have been done away with is to make Yeshua out to be a liar. Can you follow the laws concerning sacrifices and the temple? No of course not because there is no temple nor any levitical priests. This is no different than Daniel and all the Hebrews who lived in Babylonian captivity. They had no access to the temple. They could not follow those laws at those times just as we can not follow those laws now because we have no access to the temple.
The Mosaic law is from the Bible, I did not originate the concept. The Bible is also where the Mosaic law was done away with, because when Christ passed, it became obsolete. Since those law, per the Bible looked Forward to Christ (that is how the Wise Men knew Christ was Born), and once he was here, per the Bible, there was nothing to look forward to.
This was as intended, per the verse I posted earlier, to be a temporary set rituals and ceremonies; to tell GOD's Chosen People, that he would send a Messiah to save them! Once this was accomplished, the reminders were no longer needed, as the Bible originally stated.
Moses was truly a Prophet of the most High GOD, and he was instrumental in a lot of Bible truths, given him by GOD! These Rituals and Ceremonies were also given to Moses, to point GOD's People to the Messiah, which was accomplished on the Cross. These Mosaic laws were not dismissed as unimportant, They were Critical to help us all know the Messiah, and were given by GOD for that purpose. They did that job, perfectly, as GOD intended.
How can they continue to point forward to Christ coming, with rituals and ceremonies when he already has done so?
I have no interest in removing any laws just because Moses wrote them. He was an amazing MAN, and was one of GODs own beloved Men. But these rituals and ceremonies were for a specific purpose, which they fufilled when Christ came, and was crucified.
Stay Blessed, and we are neighbors, I am just across the border in Oklahoma....
:)>Ok show me a verse where God refers to his own laws as Mosaic law.
I will give you 50 steem if you can show me at least 2 old testament verses where God himself calls his laws "Mosaic law".
I use the entire Bible equally as GOD intended when he inspired it:
If you follow Christ, the entire Bible is the Word of GOD. I do not place less emphasis on New Vs Old testaments they are all lifeblood for the soul!
That said, the Bible does NOT use the term Mosaic law, but rather it describes that law as the rituals and ordinances
written in a book by the hand of Moses; Mosiac law is just easier to say:it is also called
the book of the lawand it is specifically located in this verse:DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
This verse , actually places a time limit on this ceremonial law, triggered by the life of Christ (the seed):
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.This does NOT challenge the devine source of these laws (nor their importance), but respects the devine time-line GOD himself placed on these specific laws, according to his devine plan. I have not originated this time limit, GOD did! My job is to follow him, to the limit of my ability; it is as simple, and as complex as that.
Be Blessed!
:)>Your perceived time limit of Paul's writings goes against the time frame set by Yeshua himself. Yeshua said not a single letter would pass from the law til Heaven and earth pass away. If you believe the "ceremonial law" is done away with then you believe a whole lot of letters have passed from the law, therefore your belief is contrary to the words of the Messiah himself.
Further more ascribing Galations being the very words of God based on 2 Timothy 3 would be like me declaring as scripture 3 letters I wrote to my 3 pastor cousins about issues they were having in their churches in Aurora, Il, Pittsburgh, Pa and Hobocan, NJ. If you would not consider my 3 letters to my cousin's as scripture because in them I said all scripture is breathed of God, then on what basis would you consider Paul's letters to be scripture?
We have reached an impasse. I believe in the devine accuracy of the Bible, including the Torah. You do Not. My Bible make a distinction, which I must follow. The laws projecting Messiah, are a treasure to me too.
Although we agree that GOD's LAWS are Immutable, I can Not dismiss Christ's Sacrifice on the cross, nor can I dismiss the New Testament either.
Your letters to your cousin, though they would be interesting to read, hardly reach the level of being inspired by GOD.
I will watch the film you recommended, I am interested, but I can tell you that since you do Not recognize the full Bible, we are at a dead end. I can not accept the limited bible you use, and you will Not accept the Bible I use.
Celebrate what we agree on, sadly we can not debate on what we do not agree on, because we can not agree on the text we base our different religions upon. Your view will remain wrong to me, and mine to you.
But we both worship on the Sabbath, and follow GODs dietary restrictions. We follow the Ten Commandments, as well as we can.
Be Blessed.
:)>You are incorrect in your assumptions of my beliefs. I believe the New Testament is great but other than one singular verse from one of the others of the NT itself, you have no basis to say it's "scripture". If you take Paul's own words of "all scripture is breathed of God" and you apply that to his own writings and also to other writings not written yet at that time, then you would be hypocritical to not accept my letters to my cousin's. I love the NT but I do not base doctrines on it's writings without it first being back by the OT. In the OT God makes no distinction between his laws. To God there's no such thing as ceremonial law or dietary law or moral law. It's all his law and none of it is Moses law.
Sorry if I misundersttod where you are! Question, the scripture that was fufiilled when Christ arrived, must still be used to project his future arrival (even though he already came here!) in some undetermined future time that already happened?
You Can NOT filter GOD's scripture. This part is important, but this part is not as important. So you claim belief in the New Testament, but only to a point. You must not believe Revelations either, as it is only tagged on the end of the real Bible.
When you begin dismissing specific scriptures, so what is left of the Bible will say what you want it to say, sometimes you might miss things....
IT MUST BE TOTALLY RIGHT, cover to cover, or it is Totally Wrong! The liberals know this, so if they can remove ONE verse, it all can be attacked from that verse. They begin with the Ten Commandments, because GOD wrote them, so they hate them the most!
I have read some writings from the same time frame, that are interesting, but do not carry the weight of Scripture. The Apocrypha is one good example, interesting, but not inspired! Shortly after that was the quran of which I have read some, but it is also not inspired, and scary in places.
I would not have spent so much time on you, but you are Papa-pepper's friend so you are worth the effort. I suspect we have more similarities than differences! I am not starting a Holy War here, but I would like to keep in touch.
:)>Let me be clear, in proper context when Paul wrote all scripture is breathed of God he was not referring to the New testament. What Paul considered to be scripture was what we call the old testament.
We actually agree on that, and I study the Old Testament, including the Torah. But I do Not dismiss the New Testament either.
:)>So you agree that Paul was talking about the OT when he wrote 2 Tim 3 but then you go ahead apply it to the NT? Thats not good.
When the cannon of scripture was closed in Revelations, The existing New Testament was included. You can either believe it, or reject it, but you can Not filter it! It is all or nothing, not "I will have four of these, and two of those"....
:)>This video explains the error in thinking that "Mosaic law" or book of the law is different from God's law or book of the covenant.