Yep I know all about this, that is was I specifically referred to the Roman Republic, not the Empire.

Once they turned into an empire, all bets were off, it turned into a militaristic fascist police state.

And before that it was the most free country that has ever existed in human history.

It is really ironical that the most free country has turned into one of the most vicious empires, however history repeats itself (USA).