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RE: Update on Simplicity: Cutting Complexity with Steem 0.17.0
I knew they are using the term game theory to make people cooperate. It requires people to expect other peoples bevaviors and decide based on the estimation.
But is it really good for contents system? I don't think so. The game theory enforces people to choose posts strategically and somewhat discouraging them to freely choose what they really like.
This is not why they are using it. Read the wiki link I supplied you.
Game Theory is not used to shut down conversation. It is to put into context of understanding that WANTING something means you need to think of possible ways that can be EXPLOITED if it is given to you.
Everything has rules. How do these rules balance each other out? How can they cancel...
I friggin' hate the flag as it exists... for a long time I was an advocate of an up votes only system and I wrote asking for such for a good 5 months.
It was a game theory explanation that made me stop advocating for removing the down vote.
That doesn't mean I don't still want an up votes only system. It simply means I haven't thought of a way to stop an UP VOTES only system from being extremely exploitable. Until I can solve that I cannot advocate for removal of the down vote as it is currently the only thing that CAN negate such systems where people game/exploit the system.
This is not making you cooperate. This is life. Actions have consequences. When building things from code we do them, but we also need to think about not just technical hackers, but social hackers, who will exploit weaknesses.
In an up votes only system someone could create infinite accounts up voting their own single account and over time drain the pool and be very powerful without ANY interaction from other users. Down Votes from other users can stop this. This is but one example. Yet it shows how it is exploitable.
Personally I'd be willing to experiment with up votes only and having something like being able to flag stuff as spam, plagiarism, abuse and if witnesses agree they can do the equivalent of a flag or some system like that, but I don't know how feasible it will be.
Yet using the term Game Theory has absolutely nothing to do with wanting you to cooperate. It is two words that define the situation. They don't solve it. They put it into context. Every action has consequences. Wanting something doesn't mean there may not be bad consequences so game theory is about trying to determine the positives and negatives and ideally it will be a balanced system where every positive and negative has a counter balance.
I do think the flag as it exists in steemit/busy now has more negative impact than it does positive, so I do not think it is equally weighted. Numerically it is equivalent. Psychologically and system impact it does not seem to be equivalent. This is a problem, and Game Theory could actually indicate that if it were pursued with other factors such as PR, Social, Psychological, Communal perception impact. Just on raw money, votes, and reputation though it is equivalent.
Not in this case. Game theory is mathematical. Saying "we decided to keep n^2 because game theory" is exactly a way to shut down conversation, and its not real game theory at all. its just avarice masquarading as it.
Sure... people do that a lot. Yet that is not Game Theory shutting it down... that was actually an appeal to authority fallacy being employed. Much like saying "that is heresy". It didn't actually make Game Theory the source of the problem. It is people accepting appeals to authority and giving in that is the issue.
Be advised the context. While you are talking about flagging, the context of OP and mine is about
n^2that intends cooperation on purpose.Actually that is only where it ended up. I was only responding to the initial quote of yours I quoted where you asked them to stop referring to game unless it was going to turn into a gambling site.
That is what I was responding to as Game Theory has very little to do with that and does play very much into a lot of the discussions here.
As to the rest of what you had to say, I didn't necessarily disagree with any of that. I only thought it important to clarify that use of the term GAME is much larger than I think you were considering and it is appropriate. Game Theory is a rather back alley study that has been gaining in favor and applies to human interaction, animals, logic, and computers, and since this system deals with all of those and runs on a computer it is relevant.
As far as n^2 and such though it won't really matter one bit. n, n^2, nLog2 in Game Theory doesn't mean shit as long as they are consistently applied.
I know you've written that in the context of author rewards, but this is why I'm against curation rewards.