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RE: The Reality Behind Vaccines
Which science experiment has any validity without a control group? How would we know if or how well vaccines work if we are forcing people to vaccinate? Shouldn't we clear a couple of islands and let people go unvaccinated through generations there so that we can really talk about the impact of vaccines?
The control group is a number of unvaccinated populations in "third world" countries over the last sixty years - those are the populations where polio lingered, and years ago where smallpox still existed. These "control" groups suffered intensely for the lack of vaccines and, at the time, when they were dying of polio or small pox while it was eradicated around the rest of the world, I'm sure people took the time to compare.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. I come from a third world country and I was forced to vaccinate, everyone I know was forced to vaccinate.
Well, as far as smallpox is concerned, you would not have been exposed to the risk unless you were born before 1977 when the last recorded case was seen in Somalia.
As of 2017, because of mass vaccination, the only four places where there is even a tiny amount of polio are Afghanistan, Pakistan, the DRC and Syria.
But, if you want to go through the decline of polio to near zero in the last 15 years thanks to mass vaccinations, check out this resource from WHO
So you really think it's safe not to have control groups? What kind of science is that?
Of course not - new vaccines obviously go through rigorous clinical testing before being allowed on the market. This would include use of all appropriate clinical processes, including controls.
My point to you before was only to show that the efficacy of vaccination as a tool for the prevention of certain diseases is proven, utterly and completely, by the literal eradication of several terrible diseases in the real world. And, during the process of those diseases being eliminated by use of vaccination, there were portions of the population on earth who did not get the vaccinations first and who therefore became a point of reference to compare the efficacy of the vaccines in the real world.
Temporary control groups that is, we need to know what the difference is over generations.
But we've had vaccinations for generations already - and the overwhelming majority of people who have been vaccinated experience no negative effects, either short, mid or long term.
There are several myths about vaccines causing various disorders or diseases - primarily autism - but they have been debunked.: and here: and here
But, let me plays devils advocate for a moment. Let's say that tomorrow it was proven that vaccines did in fact increase the overall incidence of autism in children. The alternative is that smallpox and polio still exist - or that measles, and whooping cough still kill infants and toddlers - not to mention the wide variety of diseases rarely seen anymore thanks to widespread vaccination.
But as I've said, autism is not caused by vaccines - nor are almost any major maladies in the great majority of people.
We don't know what the effects are unless we have something to compare to. I could care less if vaccines or aspirins are making people genitals fall off, I'm not saying that vaccines are dangerous or that we'd be better off without. I'm just saying that we don't know, that without those long term studies we don't really know the impact they have. I am saying that it's dishonest to say science has settled what vaccines do because we are not studying groups of people going without vaccines over many generations. No control group no experiment, simple as that.