‘We are free!’
[All of politics is immersed in corruption.]
4. Do we not simply need decent people in government?
It is not enough to criticize, point out the shortcomings of society, nor advocate that people of high moral character be elected into office; this does little to advance our civilization. What is needed is the intelligent management of the world’s resources and a comprehensive and workable arrangement of environmental and social affairs, in strict accordance with existing resources and the carrying capacity of our planet. Even with the election of men and women of impeccable character into government, without available resources and advanced technology, war, poverty, and corruption will prevail – no matter how many new laws are passed nor treaties signed. It is not democracy which elevates our standard of living. It is our resources, water, arable land, and technology. Rhetoric and paper proclamations are irrelevant to the management of actual human affairs.
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If you want to thank for the posting just do it! We have the right of free speech. And no one has the right to speak in the name of the whole community.
Thanks for sharing,
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Resources are not endless, we have to learn do become a resource based society. No question.
Simply replacing democracy with a technocracy does not create a perfect society where everyone has enough.
No centralized authority can have enough information.
First, we literally have no information about what is under our feet.
We don't know how much of any element we have left.
And thus, cannot develop a system for even distribution.
Further, we have no way of ascertaining which persons need which elements. Even with facebook linked into all the CC buying tracking we only get an approximation.
And the killer to the above idea is that you haven't started at what really needs to be fixed. "Everyone is equal, except some people are more equal than others." The reason democracies do not work is because bureaucrats lie to the people and make back room deals that benefit themselves. And a technocracy will be no better.
Technocracy? You have no clue wht you are talking about. RBE is nowhere even near such system.
I recommend actually exploring what TVP actually advocates before projecting ignorant assumptions based on very little knowledge in the subject.
How ignorant is to reject decades of work by reading one short, brief article and posting some misinformed opinion.
To get minimum of clue I would recommend to start by reading the book "The Best That Money Can't Buy" by J. Fresco.
Or at least read whole FAQ.
Thank you for denigrating my decades of research and on the ground implementations of resource distribution.
I am not the only one that calls RBE a technocracy.
And all I have ever heard when asked to explain how RBE is different goes like the typical refrain of the socialist supporter:
That wasn't really socialism, so it doesn't count that that one failed... or that one... or that one...
So, maybe instead of attacking me, you could actually explain your views that RBE is not a Technocracy.
Or explain, so that my friend can understand it, how RBE is different than a gold as money based economy. As gold is a resource.
"Thank you for denigrating my decades of research and on the ground implementations of resource distribution."
Just because you pretend so, trying to look smart in the conversation, does not necessarily meant that you have such knowledge. Don't know what kind of "resource distribution" knowledge you claim to have but it self evidently appears that it must be about something completely depart from TVP-RBE. Otherwise you would not make such ignorant assumptions.
Self evidently, you have not familiarized yourself with even the basic foundations of TVP-RBE. I have encountered exactly same ignorant assumption as yours hundreds of times by all sorts of "know-it-all", "RBE debunkers". In person and on the internet. In the end, it all cam down to realization that they lacked the basic understanding and knowledge of TVP concepts. Moreover, typically for denialists who are psychologically stuck in their assumptions and to question their bias, they refused to properly explore the TVP readings.
I have had dozens of conversations, debates and responses within years explaining what RBE actually is and what TVP is actually about. Responding to the same frustrating ignorant assumptions repeated mindlessly.
I have learnt from my experience with similar "debunkers" that this conversation is going to be futile, pointless and leading nowhere. Not gona waste more time here.
I am tired of doing this once again, and I am not going to spend time doing it anymore, when they information is accessible right in front of someone's face.
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"The Best That Money Can't Buy"
If I was the sort of person who took umbrage at post hominum attacks, and had no clue about RBE, I would never look into it. Your replies are such that I would be driven away. Too bad, if your goal was to actually implement RBE.
Fortunately for you, I do not take such attacks so personally that I would avoid looking into something to see if there was anything there.
Now, about you. If you actually desire to converts to your religion, then you really need to stop driving them away. Sure you have explained it over and over and over. But, if you want something implemented in the real world, that is exactly what you need to do.
Too bad for you that I have many of the keys that RBE needs to actually implement part of their program. But people like you do not want me to help out the Venus Project.
"If I was the sort of person who took umbrage at post hominum attacks"
Post hominum? What the hell is that? There is no such term use logical discourse.
Maybe you meant "ad hominem".
I recommend checking up what ad hominem means. Ad hominem is a personal attack (on character, motive) on the person making an argument.
My criticism was not a personal attack by general description of certain type of behavior encountered with people posting similar responses. It directly reflects to the subject (content of your comment-criticism), so it is not diversion from the subject - an attempt of rebuttal of the argument by using logical fallacy.
Your misuse/accusation of ad hominem can be actually possibly treated as logical fallacy itself (red herring) - an attempt to change the subject by of unsubstantiated accusation of logical fallacy.
When people are raised to err on the side of collaboration and peace, we will have good government.
It is not government that is bad, for it doesn't matter what form of government you have, if the people in government do not know how to treat others with dignity and respect, then that government will not know how, either.
That's why we have to rule ourselves, not be ruled by governments and oligarchs. No government will ever be fair in our current political system, or our oppressive capitalist system.The only system that is fair would have local, direct governance. And I mean both those words literally. Everybody should have a vote, and everybody should own everything. This is not naive, it's very hard to do yes, because we are accustomed to this sick, oppressive society were sociopaths rise to power, through political or economic scheming, or most frequently, both.
If you believe in local and direct governance, there is an organization called The Institute for Local Self-Reliance, that I think you might find of interest.
As to self-rule, that is a skill. This sick society is externally motivated by money and perception as wealth and status. To do away with the sick society as you put it, you must raise a generation (maybe two) of people who are internally motivated to do the right thing.
My reply is to further reinforce the point that no matter which style of government you choose, government is bad when the people act badly. To me it's really that simple.
I appreciate your reply, and your tip. But I wonder, can good people save a bad system? If a system is corrupt, the worst people tend to rise to the top. And part of the reason the system is corrupt is that it allows abuse of political and economic power. And by allow I mean legally. How can good people change that?
Remember friends,
Most people like grandma and other out dated value carriers need to ask or have doubt about the current state of affairs. This is an opening and it's okay to share. Otherwise shut the fuck up. Only if they want to listen or are curious or hungry for an alternative then it will sink in. We want to be efficient with the world's resources and we could start ourselves by being efficient and saving our own time. Remember there are abundant of nothing paths and nothing behaviors out there and when there is a slight bit of niceness it should be remarkable!
Cheers
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