I'm really glad that you mentioned how anti-bodies are not the be-all-end-all way to know if someone has built up immunity or not.
They claim that a vaccine is "effective" by measuring that a certain number of antibodies were created. They never actually test how many people still get an illness after being vaccinated for that illness.
Here is a webpage full of links to the failed over-simplified theory that antibodies equate to immunity.
Thank you @canadian-coconut but I cannot use the whale.to website as a citation but if there are links to sites used in citations that are acceptable to the audience I am trying to reach the article will be useful! I will check it out....the immune system isn't just one system, it is connected to our body and mind (not the brain, it is part of the body). It is intricate and delicate but also strong like a spiders web. I feel very dumb trying to write about this data and the more I look at modern medicine on the surface everyone seems so smart, much smarter than I with all their degrees and fine words so full of data, but they are even dumber than I am! tip! .50
And yes! There is more to the immune system than antibodies;)
Example
"Effective" means that a vaccine is injected (vaccination) into the patient, and the patient develops an antibody. Vaccination does not mean that the patients develops an immunity.
Scientists prove that the antibodies from vaccinations
ARE NOT NEEDED.
To prove this, scientists from HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, M.I.T., massachusetts general, san raffaele institute (Italy), and other institutes, co-authored and published on how they removed all antibodies from mice, leaving only B-Cells, which successfully fought off lethal viruses. This debunks vaccine manufacturers who say that vaccines are necessary to convey immunity. This
suggests that repeated vaccinations could be the reason why some vaccinated people lose their natural immunities, as their body tends to unnaturally rely on temporary, antibody-based immunities.
Immunity 2012 Mar 23; 36(3): 415-426:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359130/pdf/nihms-377739.pdf
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Antibodies do not determine immunity any immunologist should know this.
Science and their assumptions,
All that the presence of antibodies in a person means is that the person has come into contact with a particular pathogen, it does not mean that they have immunity.
Antibodies are just ONE part of the immune system response.........maybe antibodies meant something after experiencing a disease as antibody titres were there AS WELL as the rest of the immune response (which isn't measured). But in vaccines antibodies just mean exposure and do NOT mean the immune system went through all it needed to to give lasting immunity or any immunity.
By the way, (vaccine) research has found that IgA antibodies are a much better indication of immunity than IgG antibodies, but when you have gone through the infection naturally (i.e. the antigen has entered through the natural portals of entry), both would be present anyway. When you inject the vaccine ingredients directly into the system, however, you basically bypass the production of IgA, which is another reason why we know immunologically that vaccines are ineffective. Indeed it is the quiet realization of this significant error that is prompting efforts to produce vaccines that are inhaled instead of injected, e.g. the 'flu vaccine (though they will still be pointless and contain harmful ingredients).
It has been theorized by some that vaccines overstimulate the humoral immune response (which incorporates the production of antibodies) at the expense of the other major part of the immune system - the cell-mediated immune response (the production of T cells). I would say that even this is being too kind to vaccines, because it clearly does not even stimulate a normal humoral immune response. The immune system is very complex and with important inter-relationships between its components. The development of immunity requires many processes to occur and complete, requiring the whole team work of all the required immune system components. This simply will not occur other than when the body contracts the infection naturally, and this is only when IT, THE BODY, wants to, not when man wants it to.
http://www.wellwithin1.com/antibodies&immunity.htm