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RE: De-Centralised Governments: Will This Work?

in #revolution7 years ago

To start with, I do not take the 'you' in your comment personally :)

That's great. I asked the questions to get you to look from a different perspective. Sometimes I put a disclaimer in front of such questions like: don't take it personal :) or I write them them the other way around. from your perspective.

If you do something for your mother you don't loose you freedom. Then you consent to doing that, and you had a choice.
When most people talk about freedom they (and I) are talking about freedom from coërsion and violence.

when person A kills person B, you find it ok person A keeps his/her 100% freedom?
Of course not. There is an exception though, if person A did it out of self defence because s/he was attacked by person B. But I guess that is not what you mean.

So I'm not advocating that everybody becomes an hermit or that people don't work together or help each other.

Maybe this little film helps explain what I mean.


Of hier in het Nederlands

Thank you for the reply :) AND for not taking it personal.

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when person A kills person B, you find it ok person A keeps his/her 100% freedom? Of course not. There is an exception though, if person A did it out of self defence because s/he was attacked by person B. But I guess that is not what you mean.

So we established that some things are not ok. Now my question is (and that was the purpose of my post), who shall determine if person A is guilty or not? And what shall we do with person A when he is guilty? Proponents of the 100% de-centralised government implemented by blockchains, advocate passive enforcement, ie whatever rules can be defined on the blockchain that is enforced by technology, BUT when a member steps out, or not even steps out, but decide to kill somebody no active enforcement is put forward but just the statement: that shall not happen, and that is not good!....and when I ask that question who and what deals with person A, I get NO RESPONSE. However, they tell me, members have to stick to the 'contract' and we do not want any centralised body. So, these people want something totally decentralised, BUT they have not the answer to my example, who, what and how does determine if person A is guilty or not.

What is your view here? How shall we do that? Something centralised? Or give person C, D, and everybody else the right to define if person A is guilty, and when so, to do whatever somebody else wants? maybe even kill person A?

EDIT: Just watch the video. Unfortunately I could not find the answers to my question in the video. Long story short; The message as brought forward in the video, I heard many many times. But I never got the answers to my questions. My questions are generally avoided with other questions they ask me, or just ignored. I really hope you can provide one!

There are two questions here you ask me what are my thoughts on this and what solusions there exist In a centralized way. I can tell you my view but that would not help you since you have to do your own thinking.
I can't stress this enough. What would you do or propose. We are so indoctrinated that we don't take responsibility for our own life and own problems with the people that surround us.

About the solutions I'll get back to you on that one. I have to gather some info for you. I'll get back to you before Thursday. I'm busy renovating and a bit too tired to write a lot or to gather those things. O.k.?
Have a nice weekend.

p.s. you might see me around here thought ;)

My solution is still something central, since I do not believe to give judge and executioner rights to people. Therefore when it can not be at the individual, it automatically becomes something central. Somehow this central body needs to be under control by the community for this body to handle their delegated tasks to the rules of the community.

I'm looking forward to your response next week.

Happy renovating! And enjoy your weekend.

Judges are people. What else could they be ...angels gods saints?. But most people born in the religion see judges politician and government worker as something else as people. More holy or noble which is strange because they are just people.

But too get back to the private legal systems.
I did not put much time in it I have other things to do, you yourself could do research too, in these matters.

A friend advised me to advice you this book.
anarchy and law
I'm currently reading this but I have a hard time concentrating because I'm pretty tired.
An article possibility of private law
Some video's
law without government - conflict resolution
law without government-principles
law without government - consumers demand
There is more to be found.
But this is the best I can do for now. I do most of the reading in winter, now I'm busy doing other stuff, and I need to relax too. Hope you understand.:)
I personally believe there is much to be gained in prevention and for instance thread management

I really really appreciate your comment here with all the information. I already have this bookmarked and will go through all the links asap and will start reading up on the matter. Thank you so much for your help and all the information and references. Wish you lots of fun with whatever you do, and here on Steemit of course. And yes, relaxing and chilling is also very important!

I've seen more things in the past only can't find, or remember where or what exactly. If I happen to come across something I let you know.
Steem on :)

Super, thanks so much. Steem on as well! :)

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