God's World View Might Be Different Than Yours
Try understanding God's World View before you judge Him according to yours.
(I've oversimplified it, of course, because I don't really understand it either.)
This post responds to one I just discovered from a month ago by @neglect entitled 5 Reasons Why the Christian Religion is Man-Made It's too late to respond there, so I'll start a new conversation here. :o)
In a nutshell, the author's Five Reasons were:
- The Biblical creation account doesn't match science's current Theory of Everything.
- The Biblical doctrine of inherited Original Sin seems arbitrary and unfair.
- The Biblical hierarchy established by God is waaay too male centric.
- The Biblical God seems mean and has other negative human traits.
- The Vatican is not Biblical.
Here I suggest that all of this is because most people have a World View that is too limited to properly understand what God is up to and we are all too quick to blame God for the errors of men. Try on the following World View instead, and perhaps you will be able to see what a difference that could make on how you Judge your Creator. I have taken a few liberties with my metaphors for the sake of entertaining rhetoric. I assure you that the actual World View of the Bible is even more amazing. I'll leave cleaning up the differences between my lame metaphors and Biblical Truth as an exercise for the serious student.
I merely address the referenced accusation that
"God can't exist because He doesn't comply with our secular world views".
Submitted for your consideration.
- Christianity is not the Vatican.
- It is not the imaginations of the Renaissance artists who decided God must have a beard if he calls Himself the Ancient of Days.
- It is not the actions of bad people calling themselves Christians.
- It is not the actions of earnest Christians who screw up.
- Pointing to man-made religions claiming to be Christian does not make Christianity man-made.
Christianity is a World View that recognizes that no human can live up to God's high standards. It's members plead guilty of incompetent at meeting those standards and thus depend on the fact that God became a human, showed us how to live a perfect life, and died as a substitute rather than punish us for our failures.
God is long suffering and faithful despite humans thumbing their noses at Him at regular intervals since the beginning of time. He refers to Himself as our Father so that we can understand that he must discipline as well as nurture and love us.
There is more to this world than meets the eye. There is an unseen spiritual realm in which a war is raging that spills over into this one. On top of that, humans have free will and cause much of our own problems. God could intervene and stop all that, but at the expense of undoing His main objective:
To that end, he allows the weeds to grow with the crop until the end. It is the weeds that are the primary source of all the problems, but we all start out as weeds and are given the chance to change for as long as possible. If God wiped out all the weeds prematurely He would be cutting off every one of us before we had the chance to wise up. So He is thankfully patient with us and the result is the mess the world is in today.
This is like a "boot camp" where humans can gain the experience and wisdom necessary to decide whose side they want to be on. When boot camp is over, those who choose to be God's servant-children will be moved to a regenerated, un-cursed new world and everything starts over with a population of people who have chosen to serve there and who have demonstrated they can be trusted with much more responsibility. The rest, those who choose to reject God and elevate themselves to self rule, are discarded as unfit for service in His kingdom.
All this background doesn't mean God won't occasionally act severely (from the weed's point of view) to avoid damage to His intended crop. That crop will become God's family in the world to come, so He will do whatever it takes to protect those children from weeds who might choke the spiritual life out of them. Since He is the gardener, it is certainly His right to decide how long to tolerate the weeds and how much Roundup to use on them.
Our physical bodies are like expendable avatars in a video game. Our spirits are the end product being trained while animating those avatars. Physical suffering of the avatars generally makes for stronger spirits. Our avatars seem to us like all there is, and therefore seem much more important to us than God knows they are. He can and will reissue us replacement avatars in the new world - so all His actions are done with our spirits in mind, and appallingly (to us) little regard for our expendable flesh. Pointing accusingly to something bad that happened to someone's avatar is missing the point. Might as well complain to a video game developer that you don't like all the carnage that happens while you are playing. Questioning the morality of the Game designer only shows your own ignorance of the true nature of the situation.
Extending the video game metaphor, you can think of this world as God's Matrix or Star Trek holodeck. God can instantiate or modify anything at any time. Just like a video game or a holodeck program, he can construct the elements of the simulation in any order he pleases. If you read the Genesis account as the development log of a master programmer, it is not contradictory at all. Only if you insist that the simulation of Einsteinian spacetime has to be initialized at the beginning 13.8 billion years ago, and be run forward without interruption at 1 second per second, does your complaint that the Genesis account is out of order even make sense.
Since God is only interested in the final 7000 years of His spiritual bootcamp simulation, there is no reason why He needs to run the whole 13.8 billion years. When you start a virtual reality simulation do you have to wait for all the trees to grow from seedlings? Do you have to wait for all the structures to be built, and the materials mined? Do you have to wait 13.8 billion years before you can start playing the game? Of course not. The game creator bypasses all that and let's you jump into it at a set of initial conditions. In fact, you can pause the program and re-enter it at a later time with everything in the same state where you left off.
If we humans are able to build our toy simulations to do all that, why do you find it hard to believe that a universe Creator would do anything less?
If you find parts of the Bible that seem like they are over-simplified, it's because they have been over-simplified as much as necessary for humans of all generations and intellectual capacities to understand. That does't mean they are lies, they are just dumbed down to our level - and the level of the first bronze age people who needed to understand them. Even a caveman (or an atheist) can understand them.
I could go on, but those who have read this far already get my point:
Most criticisms in the genre that stimulated this post are based upon an entirely inadequate world model. Unless you have studied God's revelation far more than most, you are simply not qualified to critique Somebody who is able to create this universe. You don't know the requirements and specifications behind it and you don't know how to evaluate whether or not it suits it's Creators purposes.
Study that, and it may be easier to put up with the way things are for a little while longer!
As I see it, all the "information" originates from other humans that lived thousands of years ago, anyone that believes in any detail of this info, has more faith in humans than in any "god" or creator. Can there be "faith" if we remove the loony human element that lived thousands of years ago? Lets remove the human element from the equation and see what happens...
Or is it a prerequisite to also have "faith" in humans too?
Interesting questions - the subject of a future planned post.
Here, I'm just focused on refuting the single argument that ""God can't exist because He doesn't comply with the current secular world view". This particular strain of unbelief erects an unattractive, irrational straw man God and then claims God can't exist because that straw man is unattractive to modern culture. I present a world view that would be acceptable to most science fiction fans as a rational hypothetical universe and then suggest that the God of the Bible is even more rational than that.
LOL, I just thought up a wise crack so I might as well try it out on you (no offense).
Following modern liberal ad-hominem debate tactics, you sir are an Ancestrophobe!
You have an ancestorist's disdain for people who lived a long time ago.
While knowledge has certainly increased over the past several centuries, the character and intelligence of the human race has arguably been heading in the opposite direction.
Given that hypothesis, the older something is (the longer it has survived) the more highly you should regard it.
Just sayin'...
LOL
I think wackophobe is a more fitting word rather than ancestrophobe.
I don't know, maybe the life expectancy of those with poor character and intelligence in the past was too low and in our days we have more "noise".
This doesn't mean we should accept every old idea/story as valid/true beyond any doubt. Maybe the authors/originators were really geniuses or maybe they were wackos...
I actually have a theory for this that atheists will like:
The human race has lost the benefits of natural selection due to too much peace and safety.
Errors are no longer being removed from our gene pool before they can reproduce causing devolution.
Hey, if you saw some of the things they saw, you'd be a bit wacko too!
Sneak preview of that coming post:
You can view other humans as noisy instruments, with many even being deliberately hostile jammers.
The engineering way to deal with noise is to statistically average many measurements.
With enough of them you can know the truth despite 99% noise.
Because of the huge number of copies and quotes from copies and arguments about quotes from copies during the first few centuries we have a high level of confidence that we have reconstructed the Biblical signal from the noise of human error and deceit.
On top of that, the Bible is massively redundant. All the important concepts of Christian doctrine are covered over and over again in many ways.
People still argue about the fine points, but that is almost always because they choose to filter out content that disagrees with their pre-desired outcome.
For example, if you have the following noisy manuscripts, full of errors, do you have any doubt about what the original said?
The quick xrown fox jumped over the slithy toves.
The quick brown fxx jumped over the slithy toves.
The quick brown fox jumped xver the slithy toves not.
The xuick brown fox juxped over the slithy toves.
xhe quick brown fox jumped over the slithy doves.
The quick brxwn fox jumped over thx slithy xoves.
The truth is out there.
One other point. Whether we like it or not, God has always interacted with mankind through other humans. We don't really have a choice.
That's thousands of false humans and 44 recognized prophets and apostles.
How do we tell the difference?
It was acceptance by their peers. They either performed miracles or made prophesies that were fulfilled.
That acceptance caused their writings to be treasured, preserved, and distributed back when it was extremely expensive to treasure, preserve, and distribute something.
To survive through time, wars, mishaps, etc. there needed to be enough copies to make up for all those that were lost along the way. So documents had to pass through the same Darwinian survival of the fittest process that the secular world loves so much today.
Finally, once the surviving documents make it down through history to us, and we compare them to extract the most probable reconstruction of the original text, it all comes down to each individual reading it and finding it credible or not.
When I read it, I find it compelling and credible. Others may not.
Yes, but it seems that we need to "trust" them and have "faith" in THEM and in what they wrote. They may talk about faith in "God" but in the end of the day it's all about having faith in humans beings, THEM, that's why I asked to remove them from the equation if we want to talk/speak about "faith in God" and not faith in humans.
In any case I will be waiting for your future post when/If you find some free time.
Only One God. He is here, always has been and always will be. He has left us undeniable physical evidence that cannot be counterfeited by humans. No need to have faith in man. The Truth is there if only you will humble yourself and be honest. Call out to God in sincerity and He will lead you to the undeniable, factual, scientific proof, that is Truth. Truth you can touch, see, and feel for yourself. With the internet, we have a vast amount of resources of which hasn't been before... And if it has, it has been hidden from us. Do you think it coincidence that the Bible is the most accurate piece of historical writing on the face of the earth? Secular scholars as well as believing scholars will tell you this... The best in the world. Why? Because it is true. Everyday more discoveries are happening that give it more credibility, and it has never... NEVER been proven false. Discoveries have only confirmed.Do a little searching, read "A Case For Christ" (btw, the author was an atheist, dead set on proving Jesus was a fake, only to become a 100% believer when confronted with the FACTS, the TRUTH, from not only the worlds leading scientist, archeologist, historians, and scholars, but also physical evidence) and see how you feel after that read. The Truth is out there. Just humble yourself and be honest. I bet you will be surprised at why you find. I will leave you with one last thought to ponder: If God wrote a book, what do you think it would be? Probably the bet selling book of all time, right? The Bible is indeed the best selling book of all time. Oh, here is a bonus thought to ponder: if God had a son, what would He be? Probably the most famous person to ever walk the face of the earth, right? Jesus is indeed the most famous person to ever walk the face of the earth. It takes a lot more faith to be an atheist than to be a believer in Christ. The evidence is all there for God, all other thoughts are just theory. May God Bless you and lead you to the Truth.
PS: I did not know these things before I began to look for them myself. I was right where you are. I hope you take a look into it... It could just change you life
Only One God. He is here, always has been and always will be. He has left us undeniable physical evidence that cannot be counterfeited by humans. No need to have faith in man. The Truth is there if only you will humble yourself and be honest. Call out to God in sincerity and He will lead you to the undeniable, factual, scientific proof, that is Truth. Truth you can touch, see, and feel for yourself. With the internet, we have a vast amount of resources of which hasn't been before... And if it has, it has been hidden from us. Do you think it coincidence that the Bible is the most accurate piece of historical writing on the face of the earth? Secular scholars as well as believing scholars will tell you this... The best in the world. Why? Because it is true. Everyday more discoveries are happening that give it more credibility, and it has never... NEVER been proven false. Discoveries have only confirmed.Do a little searching, read "A Case For Christ" (btw, the author was an atheist, dead set on proving Jesus was a fake, only to become a 100% believer when confronted with the FACTS, the TRUTH, from not only the worlds leading scientist, archeologist, historians, and scholars, but also physical evidence) and see how you feel after that read. The Truth is out there. Just humble yourself and be honest. I bet you will be surprised at why you find. I will leave you with one last thought to ponder: If God wrote a book, what do you think it would be? Probably the bet selling book of all time, right? The Bible is indeed the best selling book of all time. Oh, here is a bonus thought to ponder: if God had a son, what would He be? Probably the most famous person to ever walk the face of the earth, right? Jesus is indeed the most famous person to ever walk the face of the earth. It takes a lot more faith to be an atheist than to be a believer in Christ. The evidence is all there for God, all other thoughts are just theory. May God Bless you and lead you to the Truth.
PS: I did not know these things before I began to look for them myself. I was right where you are. I hope you take a look into it... It could just change you life.
Thanks for this post. I am sure you, @stan, are familiar with these, but to share for others, your post brings to mind Isaiah 55:8 (ESV):
and that also reminded me of Isaiah 66:1-2:
Excellent! Might as well throw in these two snippets from Job while we are at it!
Thank you for a very insightful post!
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Nicely done, Stan. Just found your blog here and will be following along now.