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RE: Sermons You'll Never Hear In Church - First in a New Series

in #religion7 years ago

Interesting take on these passages, my friend.

It's difficult sometimes to pierce the veil of centuries, various translations and world-views and come to an exact meaning of scripture. Added to the above is our own personal biases that we always struggle with that hamper our judgments.

But I can't be so partial, @creatr, despite the great respect I bear you, to overlook certain aspects of your dissertation.

when you say, We despise tax collectors, lawyers, and politicians, because, deep in our heart of hearts, we know that these are dishonest occupations. We know in our bones that there is something terribly wrong with human government as we know it, I believe that is you talking, but you don't speak for "everyone" and that is most certainly not my take on the matter.

When you go on to assert the local churches are colluding with this 'evil' system of government I must again respectfully disagree.

I agree that the Jews hated tax collectors, but they saw them as aiding the Romans who were the Great Satan who unlawfully occupied their land. They had no problem giving tithes to Levites or the Temple or their own rulers.

If you lived in a theocracy, were born into it, you might have cause to rail against a system that forced you to pay tithes and imposed their moral code upon you.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the views you are propounding here go beyond the text at points and are based on conclusions you have made. The scriptures tell us that unscrupulous tax collectors repented--they don't say, because collecting taxes is morally reprehensible and government is bad. You say that, my friend.

I love your insights when you delve into treasures from the original, but I can't go so far as supporting your own conclusions that go beyond the text.

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John, my friend,

I thank you for taking the time to read my diatribes. I also thank you for your ever honest and open responses.

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend."

I always accept your reproofs in the kind spirit in which you present them.

"I love your insights when you delve into treasures from the original, but I can't go so far as supporting your own conclusions that go beyond the text."

Nor do I expect you to. And I also bear you very great respect, my friend.

While I believe that I am not going beyond the text from the perspective of a global, holographic view of the bible in its entirety, it has taken me the bulk of a lifetime to "see" the whole text in this way. I fully understand that, in a brief and polemic sermon like this, I have not "connected all the dots."

I only pray that perhaps, over time, if you continue to kindly bear up under the agony of reading my polemics, some of the dots may become better connected - at least to the extent that you may better understand, though you disagree with, where I am coming from.

Thank you for your friendship, expressed so well in your open response to my writing! :D

Hi creatr,

I was thinking you might write a post, from a Christian frame of reference, detailing your journey through the political system to where you are now. I know my time spent in apologetics changed me and the way I view the church and faith in general. Some journeys are roads taken where you don't come out at the end where you were at the beginning. BTW, you know I agree with you on the fundamentals, it's just that the non-essentials are so damn debatable!
...and you probably disagree with that because to you they're so important :)

I actually began (and have left dormant) a series of articles about my long journey to agorism...

They are indexed in my Library... And I do need to go back and finish that series... ;)

And no, I don't disagree at all... In I Corinthians 15, Paul lays out the importance of a hierarchy of significance! :D

I'm glad we're united on the fundamentals! ;)

I do recall reading a few of those, but I know you worked as a speechwriter for someone whose name eludes me :) I wonder how that impacted your views of politics

I think you may be misremembering. The only speeches I've ever written have been my own... ;)

okay, you worked on some politician's campaign - you were surprised I didn't know his name

Ah, now I remember our conversation...

Yes, I blogged extensively for Ron Paul.

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