Were the seven days of creation in Genesis seven twenty four hour periods? - Into the detail
In the last two weeks I discussed both a "young earth" creation interpretation for Genesis 1 and an "old earth" creation interpretation.
Today we look at an additional interpretative option.
A Hebrew literary framework
But first we summarize:
Wearing my religious hat; I have no problem with God being able to create the earth or even the entire universe in seven twenty four hour periods. That was my opinion on the creation in my childhood and youth. He is omnipotent and therefore can do anything that is expedient for Him.
As I hit high school I found fulfilment for my passion in the natural sciences and they became my favorite subjects. I have always been fascinated by how everything works, from plants to animals to the earth and the universe.
Now wearing my natural sciences hat; I see plenty of evidence both biological and geological, geomorphological and astronomical that indicate that the earth is older than a couple of thousand years. That the processes by which the rock sequences of the earth have been deposited and changed over the years are well preserved and easy to interpret, once one has learned the language of rocks.
The story in the geological record as preserved is very consistent. It has since been strengthened by the use of isotope dating for rocks containing radioactive minerals and by paleontological sequencing for rocks containing fossils. Biology and Genetics are now piling up further mountains of evidence that all continue to present and confirm the same picture. Astrophysics, and observations of the celestial bodies surrounding us confirm what we see on earth occurring all around us.
The Earth is very old and has arrived at its current highly complex state through iterative processes with each layer of complexity relying upon and being built upon the slightly simpler layer before it.
This level of understanding did not cause me to question my faith but simply to examine the depth of my knowledge and understanding.
I came across interpretations that allowed for longer periods for Genesis days – an “old earth creation”.
This sufficed for a while but as I studied the creation account I began to see discrepancies of sequence even in an “old earth creation” interpretation as discussed here
Once again this did not prompt a questioning of faith but simply a quest to delve deeper and broaden my understanding of all facets of the matter even more.
I then came across the framework hypothesis; a third possible way too look at the Genesis creation.
To approach Genesis using the framework hypothesis one needs to understand Hebrew writing styles and literary devices. The ancients wrote very differently to us today and so these devices are not readily apparent to the modern reader. I fact the West’s understanding and rediscovery of these devices is somewhat recent, with some only a century or two old. Some of these devices are composed of repeating element in various orders depending on the type of device chosen.
One simply need to study the Genesis account in great detail and then the repetitive elements of the framework become glaringly obvious.
So what does the detail of the Genesis creation account reveal?
Let’s look at each day and how it relates to all the other days and discover the repeated elements.
Each day begins with the phrase “And God said, Let…” and ends with the sentence “And the evening and the morning were the … day.”
These can be seen as the opening parenthesis ( { )and closing parenthesis ( } ) defining the beginning and end of each group of elements in the structure.
Let’s now look at the repeated elements within each grouping.
When laid out in this manner it is plain to see that there are many repeated elements laid out in a very intricate and progressively more complex structure.
Days 1 and 4 are parallels of one another as are 2 and 5 and 3 and 6.
Days 3 and 6 are the final day and most complex days of a pair of triads.
All elements from days 2 and 3 and days 5 and 6 are tied together and wrapped up neatly on the most elaborated day, day 6
Day seven is screamingly unique, so much so, that one may consider it with a sort of emphasis in relation to the entire account.
Suddenly, when viewed at this level of detail it becomes very apparent that the account is simply the means of conveying a far deeper and more complex message, much like The Master Teacher would later do with his parables.
Cool post @gavvet
However, the age of this earth can not be calculated correctly, although there are various predictions. I believe God exists, and everything has been created from nothing...
That's another perspective to adopt
Yups :)
*Interesting article and as previously stated I believe that alot of the Bible is not literal as well and it has several levels of understanding. I have several points and a theory to share as well.
*I have indeed read the Bible (King James version) from beginning to end. It took me a year and a half because I was actually looking up words in the dictionary.
*As I recall in the Bible, a day to God is like a thousand years.
*According to archeological findings, the oldest human bones are as old or older than dinosaurs.
*According to science. The Earth is like 13 billions year old.
*In my perception the story of creation happened in a span of Eons and Adam and Eve were not the first humans that were created. Thats why God said "Lets us (more than one) create man in our image and it was good. It was good, why? Was it bad before?
*I have theory concerning the fall of man: It is that when Man/Woman got kicked out of the garden of Eden to prevent Man/Woman from becoming like them the Gods (Extreme Concern of the Gods) because in the Bible: King James: Genesis - 22 "Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life".
*The theory is when Adam and Eve got evicted from the Garden Of Eden that means that Man/Woman DNA was shut down. Thus reducing life span, health, size, abilities, psychic abilities, basically everything including the ability to easily be in contact or/and experience the spiritual realm. Thus the fall of man/woman (summarization)
*Happy Sun - Day.
Popping my head in here long after, it's just a really great discussion and content from @gavvet . Just wanted to throw 2 cents in quick.
If the creation took eons and say Adam and Eve weren't the first, what then happens to original sin?
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
There is also the question that should be asked, was the Bible written by men or were the scriptures in the Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit (God) and written by men?
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV
You should check out Kent Hovind's creation seminars if you haven't already, he takes a very scientific approach to subject and makes some great arguments.
Hold on to those thoughts, I hope to get into the details of the fall in coming weeks and yes I love the KJV.
Archaeology(more specifically paleoanthropology) does have old human bones but not as old as the dino's. Dino's made it till about 70 million years ago. The earliest bipedal apes are just a few million yeas old.
You are correct. Officially the oldest humanoid bones is "'Lucy' is a collection of fossilised bones that once made up the skeleton of a hominid from the Australopithecus afarensis species. She lived in Ethiopia 3.2 million years ago" . Still way older than 7000 years.
I said that because I did come across an article a few years ago that stated that humanoid bones have been found that were older than Dinosaurs period. I am going to see if I find it but perhaps I shouldn't have put that there without checking out to see if the source of it still available.
I personally don't think that there were dinosaurs in that respect and if there were, they probably were giant birds.
Yes, I'll hold on to those thoughts. I do like talking about that. If you like mention me or notify me when you post about creation or other similar subject so I can get in board on time. If not I'll see if I find it on time. Much love, peace and blessings. 🙏🏽
I dont get it .Are you trying to tell us there is more left out or more added to it .
One thing is very clear tho, that your level of understanding dilates as one grows so please let me know what you are trying to put forward here..
I think he wants to understand us evolution...
I don't know what to believe, personally I have never thought about in this way before so thanks for this perspective.
The devastation of the Flood (which i believe was world wide) made changes in the earth that would take millions of year to normally happens. like the gran cayon in Arizona just to mention one. in the formation of the earth there were process acceleration. just like the creation of man. God made a grown man that at age of one had the characteristic of a man of 30 probably. same happened to the earth.
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To enjoy nature, is to enjoy God, they are one in the same.
God is not nature. God can exist quite comfortably without creation. Not the other way around though.
Yes, you are right. Thanks
Allegations against the Bible are often related to the challenges inherent in the work of translation. Most of these problems have a very simple explanation, if you do a little digging in commentaries or other study aides that deal with the original Hebrew and Greek, you may find the answers.
I think it is a truly 24 hour time frame. As the bible speaks of....There will be signs in the heavens, and in the stars and in the moon. Reflecting that the moon and stars both present at a night time dark hours, if that makes sense. Thanks for sharing
Definitely a fascinating debate. I promise to try to keep up next week. My brain hurts a little. :) Following.