You can’t understand Truth or Love using science - you have to use philosophy - I have understood - it’s just that to be able to discuss something there needs to be a mutual understanding - where that’s not feasible then it’s like two foreigners meeting and trying to discourse - one with an open hand and the other with a sword and a spear - it can’t easily produce a good outcome

No offence but I need to leave the discussion for the time being - I’m happy to discuss science with you or dispute your assertion that religion has had no positive effect - the fact we are holding this discussion in the western world is due to religion, as one example. But I do like to deal with facts in discussions, not stuff that folk bandy around chat rooms etc and then self congratulate each other that it’s true - far better to leave that to self congratulate itself and forget about it in my humble opinion :-)

Have a good weekend ;-)