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RE: Are the sociocultural and the cross-cultural approaches incompatible?

in #psychology6 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to read what I wrote @shanibeer! I very much appreciate it! Thank you for such a thoughtful response as well.

[Interesting. This plays out alot within communities (or societies or cultures) and I used it a lot when I was teaching in community education. The people who came to the sessions had mainly 'failed' in the school system, in the sense they had not achieved qualifications (nor had they enjoyed school), however, they were in interested in learning, and wanted their lives to be different.]

I can very much relate to this. I was kicked out of school, and spent most of my bouncing around from job to job, with long spells of unemployment. I tried to learn where and when I could, through places like the library, but long hours and low pay meant it was difficult to do any 'institutional' education. However, life offered me the opportunity of attempting to do a degree half a decade ago. I was ill, unemployed, and had the time, and through low interest student finance loans and grants I was able to actually afford it. So jumped at the chance, and have just recently graduated. It was a pretty common thread running through a lot of the other students as well.

I've always argued that not enough attention is paid to the individual student and their life experiences. It's sort of a neoliberal idea that individuals are fully responsible for who and how they are, but social construction plays a huge part in who and how they are. While this is pretty well known in psychology and social psychology, there's a hegemony in society that the opposite is true - especially as we become a more and more neoliberal society. It has changed a lot over the years though, thankfully! I've met many teachers who are not quite as quick to write off their students, and look at their circumstances at home, at school, personality factors, and much more, and attempt to help them through that sociocultural lens.

[One week, we ran a session called "Dealing with Difficult People". I thought the man focus would be about neighbour and community relationships. However, without exception, it was about relationships with schools and teachers. The session was packed, we didn't have enough chairs, and the supporting playcentre (this was an after school session) was also over-subscribed.]

That's pretty surprising, I would have thought the same as you going from the title - that it would have been about community relationships and individual relationships. Though it is kind of uplifting to see that more and more people are realising the importance of relationships with schools and teachers. Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate teachers (much more than I did when I was younger anyway!), and they have a terribly difficult job. Even more difficult these days as the government attempts to force through an agenda of privatisation. I also think there's a lot of cases where the parents expect too much of the teacher, or sees their child through rose-coloured glasses. However, sessions like this would be a great way to produce a two-way dialogue, and improve our schooling systems and the way they are run. Much respect to you for running it, and for allowing it to flow in a natural direction, even if that direction was a different one than expected!

[For many people, the value of this session was that they were listened to, they found that they were not alone in their experience and they started to share ideas about how they could do things differently.]

This is another thing I can fully relate to. It made a huge difference to me and my study when I found out that there were so many others like me. In the online forums for students (I did my degree through the Open University) there are a lot of people questioning themselves, and asking if anyone had been through similar experiences to them, and finding that so many of us gives them confidence that they can do it.

[There's a lot of work now about cultural competence in public services.]

That's excellent news!

[I'm quite interested in anthropology and ethnography, although I was hard-pressed yesterday to explain the difference between those subjects and sociology and social psychology. Could you help?]

Hmmm, those are pretty complex questions, and I'm not an expert but I'll do my best!

Sociology is more focused on studying the group processes and the groups themselves, how they work, how the function, and the like. However, the focus remains on the group itself. Whereas with social psychology the focus is on the individual, and how the group affects the individual's psychological process, and how the individual affects the groups processes.

Anthropology is the study of humans, and all aspects of them. It's a pretty wide ranging field that has a lot of cross-discipline, and studies culture, social aspects, language, and more. Whereas ethnography is more of a methodology of studying the group (say a community or culture), and usually done from within. Very similar to studying a group through the sociocultural lens. Does that help at all? I could go through my notes to dig out deeper nuances if that would help?

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Hello @trolleydave 😊 First of all, congratulations on your degree, that must feel fabulous, so glad that you chose that opportunity. I went to university late in life, I really enjoyed it and I maintain an external reader's membership of the university library so I can work there. I was thinking about taking an anthropology module in the autumn, but it would take away time from other creative interests.
Have you come across @revisesociology? He writes posts that you might enjoy.
Look forward to more of your writing 😊

Hi @shanibeer! Thank you very much for the congratulations, they're very much appreciated! It did feel fabulous! And gained me a few funny looks at the bus stop as I was waiting for a bus when my results came through and a loud 'yes' may have escaped my mouth! :) I finished with a 2:1 overall, which felt really good! It was hard work, but the end result made it all feel worth it. Even more so as my final philosophy tutor recommended that I should go on to do my master's. Congratulations on your own journey through university too! What did you study? That's a good idea about keeping an external reader's membership! I didn't know that was possible, so might look into that. I really enjoyed doing research, and as I hope to get into writing more and more, as well as podcasting, it would be invaluable. I hadn't heard of revisesociology but will definitely check them out. It sounds right up my street!

I loved doing my masters (I bypassed the first degree) in Digital Media and Society, and I'm sure you would enjoy studying at that level, too. I was working at the other university in Leicester at the time co-ordinating a project that was teaching people about wealth creation through social media - it was just before the advent of the blockchain, I'm sure we would have been all over that.
Most libraries offer external reader's membership, it usually costs bout £30 a year, although if you are studying at another university, you can get free access through SCONAL (I think that's the scheme anyway). For that, I can borrow 10 books at a time. I never would because, well, carrying them! But I get to study in the library, there's a lovely cafe there, I bump into people I know, and they often have open events and lectures about interesting things.
You don't get access to the electronic resources, but I've found that with skillful searching on google, you can often access academic articles. From here, it's a very nice walk through a little shopping area and then across the park, or an easy bus ride. There's also a couple of nice pubs nearby, and I belong to the Gas Club round the corner, so I sometimes stop off for a drink and a natter on the way home.
What might you study for your masters?

My apologies for the slow response, @shanibeer! That sounds like a really interesting subject to do a Masters in, and a very fascinating project! It's a shame that it was just before the blockchain. I'm not the most well versed in everything about it, but what I've studied about it has really interested me. Really enjoyed discussing the idea and ethos behind Steemit with @slobberchops when he introduced me to it not long ago. Not that I'm expecting much wealth creation of my own on here, but it is definitely a really interesting idea and take on social media. It's interesting as a study in neoliberalism as well.

I'm hoping to do a few extra modules and was hoping to do some extra psychology and sociology studies in among them, well, once I've got the Masters out of the way anyway! The Masters I'm doing will be a Philosophy one. And thank you for the info on external reader's memberships at uni libraries. I might pop into Bangor Uni and see if they offer something similar. Would be great if there was also access to the electronic library, but like you say, there's ways around that just using standard internet. Scihub has become a bit of an valuable resource for me during my degree, as I've come across recommended papers that the OU library simply didn't have a license for!

Scihub sounds interesting, I haven't come across that before. I have thought about asking if I could pay for a subscription ... I suspect that will be introduced before too long.

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