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RE: Closed Beta of Smackdown Kitty begins
I see. So are you talking about if users make a comment and then they self vote it? The bot is looking for those situations and flagging them?
PS. I love it how we are calling the bot a 'her' :P
Yes, this is the algorithm.
By the way, honesty is what we are trying to promote here... And curiosity. Self votes are hidden from the readers, so once she is in 'production' users can identify most self-voted comments by the red flag.
She is not a meany, really, our little kitty. She just likes chasing rats.
So, is it going for anyone that self-votes them self? Because how would you define a 'rat'?
Reason I am asking, is I think self-voting can be used as a tool too.
Like, if you are trying to get the attention of an influencer, but they have a ton of comments, then self-voting your comment to get to the top of the comments is great. It's basically like paying for adsense marketing in Google!
Yeah, I understand those bigger guys who just post one word comments and then they give themself a $50 up vote. That's ridiculous.
If you are catching what I am saying :)
She'll not chase after anyone with less than 1000 SP.
You're right that it's those useless comments with big upvotes that are the worst. I can see the point with selfvoting comments in certain sittuations as you mention, but I think the total harm is currently greater than total benefits.
Okay sweet! Well looks like you're screwed since you have 1001 SP xD What are the odds LOL!
And yeah I suppose one whale (With $50 up vote) can do as much, if not more damage than 5000 other people.. So in that sense, it makes sense.
But I am also not really seeing the giant problem with this even.. Like, it's still their money.. :P
ahhahaha! Yeah, I had to power up 9 steem to @the-ego-is-you because he was only at 991!
No, it is only their money, strictly speaking, when the reward payout goes into their account (or, more precisely, when they claim it, as is the system behaviour now) - it is only potentially their money, according to the vote calculation algorithm.
I believe he means the Steem Power, not the payout, in this instance.
No, I clicked on my Steem balance, selected "Power Up", then clicked the "Advanced" button, which allows me to set another user's account where the Steem Power goes to, and sign and voila, I put his SP over 1000 so the bot would flag his self upvoted posts.
This ability to power up to other people's accounts would be a fantastic tool for teaching children money management. You could say 'your allowance for the next 13 weeks is already paid to you, but you can only take the payments out once a week'. Set and forget. It's a brilliant design.
The smart kids would not power it down, but use it to promote what they like.
That is a cool way to get a kid writing.
haha well what are the odds... pretty high since l0k1 sent me the last 10SP for me to be in the test ;)
Yes, well the problem is that it incentivizes very rich people to add nothing good to the platform but instead just "withdraw" a lot of money from the economy to each comment of theirs that only say "very good content I agree" or "follow me I follow u" etc.
Someone might choose to upvote their own comment that says "OK" in response to someone else and because that drained his voting power he didn't have as much to give to a user that actually said something of value. So the focus will be wrong and then all the small accounts will see this big "whale" upvoting himself and think he's being a prick, but maybe not dare say anything. They might even think it's disgusting enough to leave to a more "democratic" platform, which could ironically be Facebook or Reddit. :p
They can do as they want with their money, even buy other users to upvote them or use "sock puppet" accounts, but we're making a slight improvement on the rules within the system.
Yup. The thing is even if the Steemit system completely blocks self voting, there will always be new and more creative ways to 'coin it'
But yes, I suppose we aren't changing the entire world with this new bot, but we are progressing!
I get what you are saying, but in the context of the Post HF19 world, this is wide open for abuse, and that's exactly what's happening now. Also, using it to elevate your post for reasons of getting attention is not cool. @pfunk used it to draw my attention to the fact I worded the title of a post incorrectly, that's about the only use I can see being vaguely justifiable.
Even then, as I point out, you can in fact change the sort order of comment threads with a button just above the bottom section below the initial post, to by time, by trending, and by comment rewards, so you are making an assumption (reasonable though) that this will even do anything. Come to think of it, I think the default order should be reverse chronological. Then the vote would not even work.
You have a point.
The thing is, you might know about the 'change sort order' button, but I am certain 95% of other users won't think of it. With that being said, I still think using the tactic to get your comment to the top (If you think it deserves people seeing it) is still negotiable :)
And if we reverse the chronological order, it would be a really good idea for those pesty whales, but not the best idea for those comments that are really good, and being up voted on because of the value they hold..
I think a way around that would be to have all the self voted comments push in reverse. So, if a whale votes himself for $50, he goes to the bottom :D And then all the organic voted comments remain at the top!
The code has been cracked :D
Yes, and the change sort order button is not persistent between posts, like the 'upvote post' and selection of payout option.
Indeed, the interface can do a lot of things to the way it looks. Like the widely hated flag icons. Busy ditched this for a thumbs down.
Very true.
LoL
@the-ego-is-you Let me know what you think of my content :) I respect your opinion, let me know if there is anything I should improve on to be able to get to around $100 per post :)