RE: Communities in STEEM: My First Contact
Dear @pedrobrito2004
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. So far I'm not very convinced that users will see much benefits from using those communities. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Interface is indeed very simple. I'm sure devs behind steempeak will do much better job.
Ok, with the labels and with the tribes something like that was done, but I think it didn't work for me (it may be because of my lack of expertise).
Tribes were ... all over the place. Every tribe had different website (often difficult to memorize) and each tribe required signing in (which isn't what tigers like to do ;) At the same time beta.communities are kind of neater and "in one place".
However one thing I don't like is the fact, that so far I couldn't find a way to "whitelist" those who can post on created by me community. Which sucks big time. I don't want ANYONE to be able to post on community we would build and promote. And I believe most admins would like to have more control over this channel.
Another problem I see is the fact, that as a content creator I can only post my new publications in ONE community. So if there would be 2 or 3 which are similar with subjects, then I would have to chose which only one of those 3. It simply means, that new communities will have a very difficult time to compete with established communities.
SHARE YOUR VIEW
I've asked number of people to visit this post and I would like to know what do you personally think about communities on beta.steemit.com so far? I absolutely will appreciate all valuable feedback.
Yours, Piotr
If communites will work like closed group on facebook or fanbase on old dlive, then famous people will make their social media on steemit too!
That is another step to make decentralized platform better!
Good morning @atnazo
I just realized that I never thanked you for your previous comment.
Also - would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr
Hopefully it is so, but for the moment I can not see that it is pointing in that direction, I hope that in the near future developers can focus things in that direction.
Hi, thanks for the comment.
I see what you say about the problem of publishing content in just one community that may be of interest to several groups of people and in truth I had not thought about it. I am not very knowledgeable in the use of the tribes, but by the explanations that I have seen, I can add the labels of the tribes in any order and it allows me to load the content to share it with them, it is good to give diffusion, but if it is the case of the communities, because I already did an experiment and only upload the publication to the community if the label that identifies it is in the first position, so it would have no effect if I place it in third, second or any position other than the first.
This characteristic that the label of the community must be placed first and that only works if it is there, severely limits the possibilities of spreading the posts.
Not being able to control who publishes is also a thing that would have to be fixed, otherwise we could have cases of massive spam attacks by malicious users, I think that the creation of permits and the administration of them has to be improved, I have not I have done a lot on other networks, but I think things like this have been seen in Facebook groups and other similar things.
On the other hand, I would like there to be a way to implement a "Discussion Table" or a way for community members to discuss when a post is not considered as adjusted to what the community considers as such, that is , a kind of argued vote that reminds me of the "Classical Greek Ostracism" system where citizens could vote on the people they considered should be subjected to a forced withdrawal from public life for a period of time, in this situation it would be for put the community posts to the vote and evaluate that the members of the community share their contents to some extent or at least do not consider them totally inappropriate for the development of the community.
P.S.: Thank you for inviting people to discuss and contribute their perspectives.
It's the same for every other Platform (GAB, Minds, MeWe) which has groups or communities.
MeWe solves that by allowing to specify a group when re sharing. GAB and Minds only allow to reshare a group posting into your own Profile. All three allow to add comments to reshares.
Steem are the most primitive. Only reshare into the own profile and without even a comment.
I think the MeWe approach, allowing reshares into groups with optional comments, is the best.
Thanks for the comment, I do not know much about other platforms and it is good to see that in a certain way (although it is a common problem) there are ways to solve something when sharing a post already sent by another user.
Hello Piotr,
In my experience, joining a community is advantageous:
-your posts will be easily viewed by anyone interested to learn more of a topic (example: build-it which focuses on things that people can build/ make)
I do not know how you can solve your problem on having an exclusive community wherein approved members can only post using your tribe tags. I can only suggest that you need to make a unique tag- something that will never be used by anyone.
I hope this helps.
I don't see the reason to make steem more complicated than it is. I am on steemit almost two years and I am still learning it. How to convince new users to steemit? Tags, tribes and now communities, all makes it more and more complicated.
Couple days ago when @noisy introduced beta.steemit.com to polish community I wrote how I see it. For me it is copy of reddit with it's subreddits build on Steem blockchain. Strong communities could gain profit of it, but not everyone.
Thanks for the comment. I had not thought about the example of reddit.
I share the idea that this initiative of the communities can mainly benefit large communities and those that attract whales to participate, it is time to wait a bit and see what happens, after all, the same Beta site indicates that the funicons it has They are on trial and may change.
Good morning @lesiopm
I just realized that I never thanked you for your previous comment.
Also - would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr
I wasn’t even aware of beta.steemit or hives before you reached out to me, but after reading the comments I have one thought. While it might be useful to limit who can post to a tribe/hive/community, the nature of a blockchain is that is a public ledger so anyone should be able to examine anything on the chain. Perhaps the way to control both posting and reading access is to use a tribe/hive/community encryption key so that only those granted the key (probably over an external channel) can post to that tribe/hive/community by virtue of the fact that only they have the key to read it. Everyone can access the record on the blockchain, but it would be gibberish to them. Kind of like when I encounter a post in a foreign (to me) language ;)
Thanks for the comment. In truth, one point that most of us agree with is that administration tools are needed that give the possibility to control the situation and discourage malicious users.
Piotr,
I think I mostly agree with you. Personally I didnt invested too much time in expertise -- I created one group (devoted to the mushrooms) and stepped back to watch the concequences. Probably it will take solid time, sufficient amounts of work and promotion, so that something will mature from it. I have time to wait, but I really dont have energy to invest in the efforts. And it looks like other users share my position.
Why use it, if we have tribes already?
Your point about content planting not being possible to several communities at once, is 150%, bingo! Giving the 1st tag to some nameless stuff (hive ##### - what does it mean? nothing!) is discouraging also pretty much.
I've invited to my fungi-dedicated community a dozen of users, the result is about zero. Seems like my friends share the lack of intrest to it. Well, it looks like that. Maybe it has some energy and benefits in potential - like a natural plant's seed... I will give it time, lets see how it will turn out, when more people check it and use to live with it. Give it time, dont try to calculate and foresee it -- probably, thats my (a bit lazy) position. :P
Good morning @qwerrie
I just realized that I never actually thanked you for this amazing reply. Appreciate it a lot.
ps.
Would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr
The hive-##### tag will automatically converted the display name with future frontends. And it's not a bad idea as it prevents name squatting.
If you change the current "hive" label to one that is more related to the content that is generated, then that will be a good thing.
That's already the case. All hive tags have a display name on https://beta.steemit.com
You're right, from the front end Beta looks that way.
My comment was more about how it is seen from another front-end, anyway, I hope that this other front-end can update soon and add the functionality of the communities, but from what I read, first wait for it to leave the phase Beta and go to full use within the platform.
oh! sounds intresting. time will tell -- exactly how I feel about it. thanks for a good comment.
You can test how it will work on
https://beta.steemit.com
sure! plan to post some fungie soon :=)
The fact that it is complicating things is a bit worrying, it is also true that it will take some additional work to attract members to the community, but it happens that users that we have not invited can freely publish in it and fill that Feed with pure Spam or with different contents to which the community poses ... That is a problem.
Could you tell me a colleague that to curb this behavior we have the negative votes in order to dissuade the accounts that they publish abusively, but at the beginning I would like more that they could assign publication permits. I am one of those who prefer to prevent a spam post instead of having to vote negatively post spam endlessly.
I think it is a critical step, it could grow big if some big players from other social media come here and bring their followers with them. But they need to find benefits they have here compared to the other social network. I think a community should also offer a kind of private messenger like "Partiko" does here on the steem blockchain. It has to be easy to configure and also very easy for the users to join.
For the community administrator there should be an easy method of inviting people to the community and also throwing them out if they don't care about the "rules" and only spam the community. This is critical i think.
Good morning @florian-glechner
I just realized that I never thanked you for your previous comment.
Also - would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr
I fully share that it must be made easy and that it works. Simple to set up and simple to participate, that would attract a lot of people.
The lack of community control tools by administrators is also a pending task.
That will indeed be a problem. Once a group gains popularity and has a lot of subscribed reader there will be SPAMer to post into the group just to get more eyes onto their postings.
Of corse a while list would need to be build into the blockchain itself or SPAMer will just use an alternative interface or the STEEM API itself to post.
I have seen this happening both in GAB and Minds groups.
Using downvotes to solve all SPAM on the platform isn't enough.
I agree with the danger of spam and bombardment of unrelated content by malicious users, that is a problem that cannot be ignored and management tools are required to control it even a little.
Yes, the negative vote can be used to confront these malicious accounts, but I would prefer that there be ways to control that before having to get to the point of having to do a downvote.
I was already confused enough with all the steemit-like sites from which people were encouraged to post. Then, we had this explosion of coins/tokens whatever they call them. I have some marlians, pal, spakos, and who knows what else that i don't know what to do with them. Every day some new things come up and the more information we get, I think the more uncertainty it generates. Humans can handle only so much. We can't be in a thousand places at the smae time and expect to live a life. In the mean time the price of Steem keeps pretty low. I just don't see the point of so much disperssed effort.
At the time, the communities suggested to group users of common interests and that it would be easier to reach the right audience for the posts we wrote, but you are right that complicating everything is not something that is good for the massification of the blockchain steem.
This can take a lot of effort and if an adequate consideration is not perceived, because there is no reason to do such work, that is worrying for the future of this network.
Good morning @hlezama
I just realized that I never actually thanked you for this amazing reply. Appreciate it a lot.
ps.
Would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr
I like the idea of communities at beta.steemit.com. This is a real find for people who want to create or promote a kind of “BRAND”. By idea, it resembles Facebook pages and groups. Who knows, maybe in a few years people will create their “communities” on beta.steemit.com as an excellent advertising platform.
I believe that the creation of communities is a good idea, but not having the administration and assignment of access or publication permissions that I have on other platforms, it doesn't convince me much. I hope this is resolved in the future.
Good morning @cranium
I just realized that I never thanked you for your previous comment.
Also - would you mind if I take few minutes of your time? (I hope I'm not asking this question to often ;)
Anyway .... together with few core members of project.hope team - we'te trying to promote our recent publication: an article explaining economy behind our non-profit community project build on STEEM blockchain.
Perhaps I could ask you to spare few minutes and check it out and share your feedback with me.
I would absolutely appreciate it a lot. I read all comments and I drop solid upvote on each valuable one.
Link: https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/3-ways-of-joining-our-efforts-project-hope-economy-explained
Yours, Piotr