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RE: Theory of Consensus

in #politics7 years ago (edited)

Are you saying that if 90% of a group of people are for taxation or a law. Then it's good or OK to force the 10% to pay or obey?

I don't get your line of reasoning that if 90%, 99% or even 100% is for slavery (which means you have a "choice" between obeying or being murdered) that it could be a good thing.

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There always need's to be the option of not voting and not participating in the system, or getting out.

I hope it's clear what I'm trying to say here, English is not my native language

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Are you saying that if 90% of a group of people are for taxation or a law. Then it's good or OK to force the 10% to pay or obey?

That will not happen. Most people are either not aware of the taxes and of a world where there would be no taxes. Or they feel they have no power to change things.

The thing is that if 90% of people agree on something, there isn't anthing the other 10% can do, with our without coercion, this is just how society works.

  • If humans are good, then you would expect that morality would shine through 90% of the people's voice.
  • If humans are evil, then it can't be worse than it is today.

However if only 10% of humans are evil, and we are being ruled by them right now. Wouldn't it make sense for the other 90% to take back control, and to remove evil from power?

I don't believe in the; those people are bad and those people are good thing
I see it more like; some people DO 90%/100% bad stuff and some people DO 10% or less% bad stuff and you have all sorts in between :)

But most people aren't even aware that they are doing bad stuff because they are brainwashed that what they are cheering for is the good thing.
Most people do things because they think they are good that way Only very few people do evil stuff deliberately and knowing it is evil stuff.

I also believe you can not remove evil from power by consensus, evil is always striving to get that power and is a master a doing that. If you want strive for the position to rule other people by force than you become evil if you "weren't" evil already.

What you see as an evil politician someone else sees that same politician as good and vice versa. There are lot's of people who think Obama or trump or whoever is or was, a good politician.

Maybe you don't believe in the possibility to live without a ruler or master. but I already have no master, no-one is my master and no-one will ever be my master/ruler again. maybe one day a tyrant or bully or something in between will kill me but he will never be my master. I have no master/ ruler. I have no slaves/subject.

You can work on your idea thought it's not for me to decide how someone pick's their ruler or master or how big someone believes the group must be to get a what they believe to be moral and good ruler. Like I said I don't believe ruling someone aka telling someone what to do through force, is a good or moral.....ever.

Good luck though with your endeavors :) Peace

But most people aren't even aware that they are doing bad stuff because they are brainwashed that what they are cheering for is the good thing.

That is why they need to be exposed to their own logical flaws. Unless the issues are discussed, people dont realize in how much BS they believe in.

Think of it like a marketplace of ideas where people choose a path that they think they are good for them. And when they realize that 90% of peole disagree with them, then they will realize that they are the idiots.

Even if it comes to scientific arguments, you don't have to know the answer, but I believe 90% of humans would approve that you need to apply the scientific method to things before you come up with the conclusion.

Humans can already make choices in their own lives, and some of them are good , some ar bad, but if they are not exposed to their own stupidity, then they will never improve.

Electing a ruler is just kicking the can down the road, and it gives an illusion of comfort, but problems are not getting solved that way.

The pack leader evolutionary strategy is good for small tribes in a hostile environment, where you need quick decisions, but our society has outgrown that, now we need to make safe decisions, since 1 bad mistake can literally end the human race.

And you can't let a tiny group of people make those decisions. Since we are on the verge of nuclear war, exactly because of this problem.

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