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RE: "STATISM" ( @tjkirk ) VS. ANARCHISM ( @adamkokesh )

in #politics6 years ago

Some points I'd like to adres.

Every organization is a small government.

This is not the case
Government is the only organization that is seen as having THE RIGHT TO RULE (by it's subjects), they dictate, you must obey. Other organizations don't have that element (of slavery). A boss can not lock you up for disobeying him or her. Firing that he/she can do and you can quit. But a boss or teacher is not seen as having the right to rule. (if he/she would do that he/she would be seen as a criminal.

Hierachy is a bit the same.
The government are rulers, but with a footbalteam or a supermarketstucture or a student and his teacher there is no ruler and slave. They voluntarily agree to some arrangement/contract, not under thread of or use of violence.

I never see compromisis in politics, the subject must obey the rulers, or they get punished or killed if they still do not obey. It's forcing an opinion on the other person/group through the barrel of a gun.

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Hi, thanks for offering your view, but i think that you might be mistaken about "the right to rule".
Organizations don't have the right to enslave you because of labor laws created by the government to restrict the power a company might have over its laborers. If let alone, without oversight, an organization will behave in a similar manner as you described - it will enslave its subjects.

Also similar to a company, you can quit your government. You can leave to another country, or live in some wilderness or a community where everyone thinks alike - but then slowly but surely, if the community thrives, it will start forming a governing hierarchy - the more resources, the more people - the more complexity - the more need for laws, order and a system of control.

You last point is to me the most confusing, because you are describing a dictatorship, but i know you are referring to a democratic government. I see plenty of compromise in politics (i just wish it didnt favor corporations as much as it does). There is punishment and unfortunately executions but for actual crimes; not for holding ideas. And i think that certain crimes like the use of pot should be decriminalized (which seems to be the direction where we are headed), so there is plenty of compromise.

Organizations don't have the right to enslave you because slavery is bad. If the laws of government, would change allowing corporal punishment and putting you in a cage or whatever, would you say that they than have the right to enslave you? (you don't have rights btw you have privileges )
You can walk out any time out of a company, if the government has made laws, or not, does not matter you don't need permission.

You can not quit your government in the way you can quit your job.

It is a dictator ship better word master/slave “relationship”. Why would you need permission from people to smoke pot? You're boss in you own body. Not the government, not your neigbours, and not your neighbours that ask government, are boss.

If someone else can tell you what you can, and can not do with your body, your land, your house etc, and can punish you if you disobey then that would mean/means, that they own everything, and you own nothing, not even yourself, they are your master, you are their slave. That you can do some religious ritual and to pick a master that let's you smoke pot, or let's you keep more of what you worked for, or some other thing, doesn't change the fact that he/she is your master. (dictatorship, mob rule, democracy) all the same mechanism. If you move to another country you just move to another slave plantation.

A situation;
If your neighbour would run into your house and put you in a cage for smoking pot he would be seen as a madman and a criminal. Even if he and his friends agreed and where "the majority".
Somehow most people are so indoctrinated that they believe that if you do a lot of religious stuff and serious looking ceremonies. That that same situation becomes ok.

Thank you for the reply :)

edit There is a difference between a community making rules or having a leader that you follow voluntary or rulers and subjects

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