You are viewing a single comment's thread from:
RE: My Ideology: I thought I was a liberal national socialist - turns out it is called libertarian socialism
This guy summed it up a little better than me, I was legitimately pissed when I saw this video after writing the article. It is very much in line of what I wanted to express with this article in regards of the libertarianism vs socialism debate.
"We have our own terms for libertarianism and socialism that are different from the mainstream" - This tells you everything you need to know about socialism.
Borrowing from Orwell, doublethink - the ability to hold to conflicting views at the same time.
At 2:30 he wants worker controlled companies, but there is nothing stopping workers from starting or buying companies, this is a system called capitalism. It happens a lot. A couple of guys working at a firm say to themselves, "you know what, we could do this better", and they do. They leave the firm and start up in competition with their old firm. Often taking customers with them. That's called progress. The old firm adapts, improves it's offerings, or dies. Ce La Vie.
What he really wants, is workers to take for free, the rewards of the person who took the risks to start the business. That's the redistribution of intellectual property. That's socialsm of the mind. I'm trying to start a business. I've spent 5 years developing the idea, gaining the knowledge to make it feasiable. Talked to hundred of people to try and gain support and funding, and now he wants me to share any rewards (but not the risk) with the people I pay to do jobs for me. People who I can replace because they only do what I have told them to do at a certain quality (or I can sack them). What justification do you have for me to share my work with a shop girl?
Unfortunately, as the Spanish found out post 1936, the workers are generally not very good at running businesses because they want more pay and more perks. This means the company fails to put resources where quality and efficiency are improved and the firm gains market share, and because the firm fails, everyone loses (and it's never the workers fault).
This, in Spain, led to Fasicsm. You pays your money.
There are very few examples of worker run companies existing for very long. There was a coffee shop that tried this model that closed recently for exactly these reasons. Customers would wait hours for a sandwich, workers would have extremely long breaks or would choose their own hours meaning the customers wouldn't know when the shop was even open. You're welcome to run the business you want start, that way.
The one model that has had some success is of course the Coop model. Which in the UK was doing very well under the John Lewis brand. Then they put a meth headed baptist preacher socialist in charge, and prompty went bankrupt. Ce La Vie
How do you come to the conclusion that I hold mainstream socialism and libertarian socialism views? I dislike most of what the popular left is doing. Socialism is not an entity it is a term that has been stolen from us. We voluntaristic socialists are similar to the Libertarian movement - the press does not like to report on us.
I actually believe that there is no such thing as intellectual property. If someone can realize your idea better than you, he should be able to do it. I do not mean to offend you but If it comes to ideas. Isn't the freedom to copy any idea you see part of a truly free market as well?
I also don't believe that people need pressure to be productive just incentive and a good working climate. Ofc someone who is used to work in the west aka try to look busy when boss is around is not a healthy working climate.
The quote was from the video you linked.
You don't believe in intellectual property because you've never had an idea to be stolen off you. Just imagine you did do something creative, and then I took that idea and got rich.
You will never offend me.
yes it is, but there is protection of original ideas in copyright laws. Otherwise there would be no music or literary industry. I can't just put my name on harry potter books. If you don't believe in intellectual property you're by definition fine with me taking all the books in the world, putting my name on them and selling them. Is this not theft?
You've obviously never had a soul destroying job. Again, if you work in a creative industry you're correct. But if you're (as I've had to do before) unboxing something, peeling a label off, sticking a new label on and boxing it up (as new) again, stuck in a massive but freezing cold warehouse, trust me you need to be managed to be productive.
wait, I thought I replied here already...
no problem with that, he should not claim to be the original author, but he can use and expand on my ideas however he wants. This is how science work btw, sadly it does not do that because of capitalism.
A good month of working in a butchery every day. I was not often in the cold warehouse, but I was marinading bath tub loads of frozen meat by hand and 3 years at the register of a gas station, which is actually quite more soul crushing over time than you would expect.
I dont think you should be able to just slap your label on someone elses work, but even crediting them often does not protect me from copyright laws.