This is the last leg that this myth stands on, they truly believe that we will voluntarily give up everything and start sharing everything, which never in the history of humanity or perhaps in the history of the Universe has ever happened.
It becomes more like a delusional religion at this point, but if they truly believe in it, then it's no problem, everyone is free to believe in whatever they want.
This is you, exactly, except on the opposite end of the spectrum. (BTW, "the left" doesn't advocate Communism, the far left does just like the far right advocates anarcho-capitalism.)
We had this discussion weeks ago, where voluntaryism only works if everyone decides not to use force against each other. Except that's exactly as likely as everyone voluntarily giving up everything and sharing everything. In fact, it's exactly the same!
Communism doesn't work for exactly the same reasons voluntaryism or anarcho-capitalism doesn't work. Believing either does comes down to the same near-religious conviction against all evidence.
You are dishonestly conflating voluntarism with pacifism, it's not the same thing, it's not even in the same category, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
On the scale of force/violence:
So when you are talking about "CEO work camps" and how the evil capitalists will enslave us, that is nonsense. Do you realize that people should or ought to have the right to defend themselves, their family and their property against illegitimate aggressors. And we went over this, you can't own property and be owned by others. So people are either sovereign or slaves, there is no gray area.
Capitalism is the only method that gives sovereignty to people, Communism and the entire left direction, even the so called moderates that you are talking about, are the antithesis of that.
So it's pretty easy to figure out from which direction the winds of slavery is blowing....
No, I'm not. You were the one to state that no anarchic country has lasted because someone always comes in and takes over right away.
If government went away, in the US you'd have the KKK deciding it was time to commit ethnic cleansing, the Dominionists deciding it was time to set up a theocracy, and corporations with more money than some countries that could set up their own mercenary forces to control areas.
When governments collapse you don't get voluntaryism, you get warlords vying for power.
Voluntaryism then depends on all these groups deciding not to try and be the ones in control so they can have all the wealth and advantages of power. This is exactly the same as how communism would work if people didn't stack the system to have all the advantages of wealth and power.
Capitalism doesn't give sovereignty to anyone, it just gives power to those with the most money.
No I did not, I said that no pacifists society has lasted since it either got wiped out or taken over by an agressive tribe.
Yes that is true, that is why liberty has to be constructed first in the legal confines that we have today. I agree that removing the Government now would be equal to taking away the drugs from a drug addict zombie, it will cause more harm that good.
However some of the reckless spendings has to be stopped, taxes need to be lowered, and slowly but steadily liberty has to be brought back.
You get the same inside the Government. But if people had the means to defend themselves against this warlord tribalist events, then we would not be in this position in the first place.
Perhaps technology can find a way.
It does.
Farmers in the USA are trying to claim allodial title for their farmland. That is sovereignty, at least partial until of course the taxes and other nasty things go away.
That is literally the opposite of collectivized farming, where everyone is a serf of the State.