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can you even define socialism?

really? my books prove how capitalism must always collapse due to the internal contradictions within it.

There is no contradiction. Capitalism is not a system, any more than not damming a river is a system. It's the natural order.

its a natural order? What's natural about private property rights, they have never existed without a government and most of society before capitalists military-lead domination was gift, feudalistic, and medieval socialist economies.

I can see why you'd think that.

You know that phrase "possession is nine tenths of the law"? That's what I'm talking about, in a pragmatic sense.

You probably reject pragmatism, and that's your right, but it won't get you far to do so.

Yet the workers posses the means of production. All they must do is take back what they produce

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