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I left this conversation awhile ago man! I’m not gonna convince you guys that taxes make sense (however, I understand the voluntaryist point of view entirely) or that not every politician is exactly the same, evil enemy of the people. I’ve made my points, been dismissed, you made some points, and I’ve dismissed you. When I see things like

Democracy is a myth. It is no more legitimate than astrology is a science.

Do all politicians use politics? Yes. Then all politicians are committing evil.
(this gem is from @dullhawk)

I just know when to stop. I get your stance on these issues, thanks! I have lost my drive here to convince you or @dullhawk of anything. Peace and love though!

Peace and love? Those are incompatible with politics though! :D

I made my assertions and I stated the reasoning behind them. You just made unsupported assertions. Our job isn't to convince one another, but to reason through the issue. If democracy is a peaceful way to organize aspects of society, why can't you make a case for it? I think you know it's just a velvet glove for the iron fist attitude of "submit or die," though, and you don't want to admit that's what lies behind all the pretty political prose from AOC & company. I'm sure you can see it with Trump, but you want to believe that if the Republicans are the bad guys, the Democrats/Progressives are good by default. That's the false dichotomy of political discourse.

I'm sure you can see it with Trump, but you want to believe that if the Republicans are the bad guys, the Democrats/Progressives are good by default.

Actually, not true at all! But I admire how much you think you know about me

Well, based on what you have commented, that is the impression I get. Care to offer something of substance so I can understand your argument and position better?

Not here right now, thanks :)

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