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RE: Soviet Russia was not communist -Part One- Labor and the means of production

in #politics8 years ago

There is so much wrong here I don't even know where to start. But it did give me a good laugh this morning. So I'll take a crack at it.

Lets go through the ideals

"No private property" - can't have an economy without private property.
"No profits off the labor of another" - this is nonsense.
"All people are equal" - no they are certainly not. Only equal in rights, nothing else.

The part about personal and private property is just plain silly. You either own something or you don't. Beyond that it is an attempt to justify communist bullshit by playing with definitions.

"If this is taken away from the proletariat (the working class), the resulting system is not communism." - this is right down amusing. If communism fails miserably then it is not communism.

"It goes against the ideals of communism in every way." - HAHAHAHAHA. Ideals are irrelevant. Reality does not care for ideals.

"AI (programmed with basic human values) dictate who would be able to produce the most on what," - I ... I mean... what? If we had an all knowing benevolent AI COMMUNISM WOULD TOTALLY WORK GUYS.

" calculate the amount of work done and allocate resources based on that" - Labor theory of value FOR THE WIN

And for your own education, a private company does not profit off the labor of others. It profits of capital investment, entrepreneurial risk, and producing a profit by offering goods and services on the market. Labor is just a factor and not the most important one.

"waits for society to reach the point of post-scarcity " - lol if only we had post scarcity everything would work.
"In communism no profits are gained" - an economy cannot fucntion without profits. Period.

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They stood for literally the opposite of what all communists stood for.

North Korea is democratic because they say so it looks like. Democracy has failed you just say North Korea is not democratic because you don't like it. Also look at North Koreas free market. You don't call it the perfect example of capitalism because you don't like it.
Downvoted you for internet trolling, it is really obvious

That is trolling? I quoted exactly what I disagreed with and told you why. Do you have anything resembling a counter argument? Hones question are you 12 years old?

In North Korea there is objectively no free market. In soviet Russia there was objectively no private property of the means of production.

Stalin controlled the private property, meaning it was not socialised. I explained that.
So it is trolling, commenting without reading the entire article.....

I read the article. My original comment was not about Stalin, I quoted exactly what I was addressing. The simple fact that stated ideas of an ideology have nothing to do with how it manifests in reality. Stated ideal are just words, you can claim anything. Ridiculous stuff like postscarcity and AI have no bearing on anything.

A dictator controlling government and government controlling property is not the same thing as private property. Not even the same ballpark. So if that's your claim let me laugh again. Yeah I'm done with this .

It has happened in that fashion before soooooo.........you are wrongo

The problem w/these commies is that they think they can remove humans from the equation...at the end of the day SOMEONE or a group of SOMEONES is going to be making decisions as to the disposition of resources...there is going to be SOME kind of hierarchy involved in decisions-making.

And the mental gymnastics this author did in order to differentiate between "private" and "personal" property...just painful to read.

I liked this sentence:

"Personal property is something you use and labor on yourself. Your car, TV and your toothbrush are all examples of this."

The author seems wholly unaware that things like cars, TVs, and toothbrushes are the product of others' labor (since NO ONE individual is going to be able to make these things) and that, by using these devices, you are PROFITING OFF OF OTHERS' LABOR.

IMO, inside every communist is a wanna-be oligarch...

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