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RE: Should People be Allowed to Vote?

in #politics8 years ago

Politically, absolutely not! we should only have the right to vote on our own lives, or when other people ask us to weigh in on theirs. Political voting mainly involves casting a vote to who gets the power to rule others, delegating authority we don't have to delegate.

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Everything is political.

Suppose in a libertarian community, neighbors would have to choose a fire department for themselves. And they have to force everyone to agree otherwise it can't work.

If 1 guy doesn't agree to it, and he won't pay the monthly fees, then if his house is in flames:

  • If the firefighter extinguishes his fire, then he is a freeloader, because he consumed a service that he didnt paid for, at the expense of the other neighbors
  • If the firefighter doesn't extinguish the fire, then they risk spreading the fire to the other houses that do have fire insurance. Which may cause additional damages and costs.

So where do you draw the line?

i'm more a fan of experimenting in the direction of more freedom than proclaiming a priori that we know exactly how society ought to be organized (or left to self organize). I'm biased towards freedom, so my suggestion is to start scaling back government where it's easily feasible. There aren't too many true "public goods" or life-or-death externalities, so for things like fire services, police, military, courts, whatever's tough to envision being fully free market...leave those things alone for now and we have a ton of other things to start scaling down.

Yes but you can take the same argument as I told above, and apply it to every government sector:

  • Free healthcare: What if people don't have money for expensive life threatening treatments
  • Free education: What if poor familites dont have money for basic education (maybe the high education can be privatized obviously)
  • Military: What if enemy X is attacking?
  • Police: What if people go crazy, who will restore order
  • Pensions: How can poor people survive, they are too old to work?
    ... ETC

So it doesnt matter what sector of the government you try to scale down, you will always hit the status quo forces, that will argue that doing nothing is better than stirring situations up that could cause huge problems.

The fact is that the government is so tied into society, like a life support system for a coma patient. If you take it away, it will all collapse.

And you can't take it away "slowly".

ha, why can't i say take it away slowly?

"The fact is that the government is so tied into society, like a life support system for a coma patient. If you take it away, it will all collapse."
<--sad but true, at least on the level of integration. i argue we don't know what taking it away would do, that's speculation and i'd prefer to be positive. Deregulating nationalized industries across the world had similar dynamics...entrenched stakeholders, assumptions of catastrophe if unraveled, but the results were extremely positive...the world didn't end and newly competitive industries thrived.

I also think our society is whiny as hell, but so many things government does are not necessary to be performed by a monopolist...some people just like it that way. i don't.

Any small deregulation could cause a butterfly effect and crash everything.

But it's inevitable anyway, the problem is that the status quo forces are not just the local population, but also the international forces, like how the EU didn't let Greece default and intervened in their internal affairs.

But eventually it will all collapse because the debt is unsustainable, and people will realize that they should have stopped the endless spending when they had a chance, now it will come down the hard way unfortunately.

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