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RE: If you support the animal industry are you indirectly supporting slavery?
I grew up on a farm, I do not support vegans and their wonderful ideas as to why they are vegans. As far as animal cruelty goes, it is something that I wish never happened.
So I had a thought, when you cut open a tree, it bleeds. So if we had to use the same ideology and logic that vegans use to come up with some of their amazing ideas. One could become a meat eater because of all the horrible things people do to plants.
So for me, if everything is done humanly then it is all fine.
A cow that gives you 300kg of meat ate 3,600kg of plants. You don't save the plants by eating meat :P
Hahaha. This is just one of those topics that go round and round. I never really thought of this before, my mind is blown. I think I need some meat right now ;)
Another way to address the argument you made is this: Do you know there are many children who are horribly upset when they realize that animals are being killed to feed them?
Now, did you EVER hear about a child being upset when it found out that vegetables are being ripped right out of the ground? No. Why?
Because it never happened.
We all know the difference very well...
Edit: upvote for honesty.
I feel it's because animals can communicate with us much more than plants can, and we have them around us. In movies children will be glad to see a beast like a huge bear killed, because those beasts don't stay around us, and they are dangerous, and yet they are animals. I don't think the children feel sad because an animal is killed, but Bacause an animal they are conversant with is killed, and animal they feel is harmless is killed. Okay look at a cockroach for example, a child would want it killed without feeling any remorse, not because it is an animal, but because it is one that causes damage. Would a vegetarian kill a mosquito he/she finds on his/her skin,?
I was not pointing you towards my comment, but the one from pharesim.
Sorry I was not being clear.
As for your answer: I agree that we have less compassion with potentially dangerous animals.
Fear determines how much we are able to love. Some can only love their dog, some love EVERY creature around. Fun fact: I once left two ticks in my skin because I did not see a way of removing them without harm. Would I always do that? No. Still it was good for me to face this particular fear...
Wow you left ticks on your skin, hmm thats a new one.
If you really believe that cutting vegetables and slaughtering an animal are essentially the same,
I dare you to actually do it. Did you ever slaughter an animal? I have, I wish I had not...
Also try leaving a dead animal in your kitchen together with the zucchini for -- let's say a week :)
Wow, it's all a matter of point of view.
I think it's all a matter of ethics. It seems to me there are basically two kinds of ethics:
Anarchist ethics:
Don't initiate force.
Spiritual ethics:
Don't use force.
I am in between the two. Sometimes I use force when attacked (by a mosquito for example) sometimes I don't even when attacked (by a mosquito for example).
Both ethics ban one thing: the initiation of force.
The only difference is that Anarchist ethics allow force when attacked, spiritual ethics NEVER allows force.
Okay, I get where you stand now, but I feel the use of force sometimes might not be based on matter of ethics but could be based on reflex action like in the case of killing a mosquito