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Well, it depends. With drugs, which kinda started the conversation, that would be coaxing kids to buy stuff, forcing drugs to some people (eg: in drinks and shit), cartel wars ... that kind of thing. Regarding borders, here in eastern Europe, we have it pretty well, shout warnings, shoot in the air, then shoot at target. That seems about right to me. Initiating violence upon the peaceful is not ok, but there will be people who do it, hence we have police to initiate violence upon them.

That's the irony right there: There will be those who initiate violence upon the peaceful, so we have the police force to do it to them first???

No, we have armed police to attempt to deescalate the conflict, then respond with violence if necessary. Sure, I can agree it doesn't always work out perfectly, but better than no police, wouldn't you say?

I say private security guards would do the job better, and are.

No, because every private entity will dole it out differently, that wouldn't be rule of law, but de facto feudalism.

Ok, I've just about reached the point of agreeing to disagree. You? :)

I guess...

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