@ ancaps and libertarians

in #politics6 years ago (edited)

Hey did you know "anarchist" and "libertarian" is a left wing word stolen from us with the meaning subverted. You call nazis socialist because they have socialism in their name. Are you not socialist because you want libertarianism?

Honestly, everytime one of you asks me if I'm "even a real anarchist" I see your ideology is even more of a joke than before, and that is an impressive achievement

One of the biggest achievements of neo-liberal capitalism is stealing words and changing their meaning for the purpose of propaganda. How can somebody mainstream discuss anarchist communism with people actually understanding what they are saying? They would have to explain the fundamentals of each word from the beginning and most people wouldn't listen. You ancaps are just a tool of propaganda for the rich and not even a meaningful ideology lmao

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Haha, yes, I know what you are talking about!

Especially when it comes to the voluntaryist. Tell them that was the word for a certain part of communists and they go ballistic.

I don't go ballistic, I am a voluntaryist and I did know that.

The writer can complain about the "stealing" and fine.
I don't think any ancap libertarian would bother about that. They'd rather say: Okay, so you are a part of a bunch of loosers who couldn't market their brand.

To spare comments:
The reason why I asked if the writer if is "even a real anarchist" with this link https://steempeak.com/voluntaryis/@larkenrose/oweoepzb
is an easy question:
In a situation where you @anarchyhasnogods @space-pictures had power, would you allow a group of ancaps to have their capitalist society or would you rather rule over them?

maybe the post-writer could have a debate with @thepholosopher. I don't know how knowledgeable she is though

Capitalism would collapse within a socialist system because of simple economics. Profit comes from the difference between what workers are paid and what they produce. In socialism they would get all they produce, while in capitalism they would be getting less, so there is no reason they would choose capitalism if it just puts authority over them and they make less money lmao.

Capitalism can only exist within a state structure because they can only maintain control of property through a monopoly of force. Capitalists are simply control of the means of production by an outside source. The capitalist is only defined in relation to the worker they control. Look at the Hegelian dialectics of the master and slave for an understanding of that one

Your assumptions that capitalism would collapse doesn't matter in that regard, it only matters if you would let those Ancaps have their voluntary capitalistic society.
If that society would collapse in the end, fine.

Voluntaryist Ancaps have the same assumptions about a socialist system: that it will collapse eventually. However, they would let those voluntary socialists or communists have their way.

to quote the first self-proclaimed anarchist "anarchy is order". Anarchy is not the lack of rules, not the lack of structure, and definitely not the lack of military. Anarchy is the destruction of the unjustified hierarchy of state and capital so that people have complete control over themself. The basis of capitalism is putting the rule of capital above people. The two are incompatible by the most fundamental definitions

was? It still is.

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