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RE: Non-Aggression Principle: A crisis, introspection, and offer of discussion

in #philosophy7 years ago

My problem with NAP is that you can find it partly in almost any constitution, at least when it comes to wars "war of aggression" is illegal. However there is always a way to make aggression seem like a preventive defensive measure.

I do see your preventive aggression that you may or may not plan to commit as much more justified than what the states are doing to be fair.

However, one of the biggest goals of the Antifa is to disrupt public order and preferable plunch the country into a civil war. By fighting them with force you would make them much stronger.

I belittle Antifa, but I usually get along with their members. I am a socialist after all.

I would also argue that An-Comms should be very receptive for libertarian ideas. So maybe you can convert them instead of killing them.

I guess it depends on what you actually plan to do, but I am afraid that you are being setup. Your government is only waiting for a civil war to happen so it can complete its final step.

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By fighting them with force you would make them much stronger.

Antifa would not be my target. If I became aggressive unless I was directly in contact with them and defending myself. In that respect my idea of NAP becomes unchanged.

My fight would be with those who fund them, endorse them, and put them on a pedestal as though that keeps their hands clean. Also these are often the people that aim them since Antifa is very tunnel visioned.

Why don't you say that more clearly? :D Of course I am on board exposing and fighting the shadows that seem to misguide the Antifa Comrades. But then I don't see how would you break the NAP? This sounds more like infowars instead of physical war.

I have to wrestle with the idea that I seriously am beginning to think that people taking out (physically) George Soros and other would be puppet masters might end up being a survival strategy. Those that are unaccountable and truly beholden to no nation, or specific people.

That I believe would be against the NAP. I've known strategies that would involve physical approaches for quite some time. It just goes against who I am to give voice to those strategies.

That is where my current mental crisis comes from.

Well, I think it is too early for that. We might have to do something that you anarchos really don't like, we would have to organize... :P I know, I know it only means "no leaders" not "no rules" or "no structure".

Of course you can bend the NAP in the way that you are under attack by state and capital, but I don't think that bending rules is something you would want to do.

There are people after all who have accumulated tons of power and I am not talking about politicians, they are just tools. To expect that they will just loosen their grip without force seems delusional, some of them might be listening to reason but there will be some that do not.

My plan is still to get the military and police on our side, with that the sheer threat of force should be enough to win and their might not even be a single wounded person.

The problem in the U.S. is they heavily weaponized the media. I've watched Trump in the last week give three different speeches. I watched the entire speeches as that is the only way to get the truth about what he says.

The media within hours, days will come out saying he said one thing, and didn't say another and it will be a complete lie.

A lot of people are too lazy to go and look for themselves. It is more convenient to go to their "trusted" news source and be told the news they should believe in a 30 - 60 minute program so they can then carry on with their plans without having to actually verify whether what they heard was true or not.

We still have a number of these. If we were to have a new civil war there are people I care about that I know I would be in opposition to because, this is how they consume their news.

People that go to feminist rallies defending the bhurka when that was something many women fought for the right to not have to wear as part of an actual earlier feminist rally. They believe the narrative simply because their "trusted" source told them they should rather than learning, questioning, and doing any actual research.

These days if they tell you Trump said something you pretty much need to go watch his entire speech yourself as they usually don't actually tell the truth.

The same happened with the Charlottesville event as well. That was why I got so angry. I was not angry after watching 2+ hours of uninterrupted, unpaused footage from the event. I thought it was a mess. Then I saw the news and how it was so FAKE on the event that I actually got pretty angry. I was not angry until I saw the news and since I'd watched unedited footage it made the FAKENESS of the media narrative stick out really badly.

In the U.S. many people still only get that narrative. Doing more takes effort. Our population loves the big easy red button for things.

I don't know how it is in Germany.

I don't know how it is in Germany.

Very similar. One of our biggest news-outlets has as a binding rule for their journalists that they "have to honor the transatlantic partnership" which means that they are explicitly censoring any criticism towards the US gov.

I think @lennstar once posted about a case where people were forbidden to film public speeches of politicians in their local parlament. The fine for breaking that new law was set to 250.000€.

Our media narrative about Trump is an exact translation of the things the US media puts out behind him.

The term Lügenpresse (Fake News) has been deemed Nazi-Slang.

So yeah, it is not looking much better in Germany.

My plan is still to get the military and police on our side

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decapitation strategy

Basically though organizing anything like that today in the traditional sense would be quickly squished by the intelligence apparatus. So it'd need to be approached a little differently and I did some hypothetical mental models of that before. I can think such things, I simply see it as bad to give them life by telling them to other people.

Especially since any WEAPON once unleashed can easily be turned back around on those that unleashed it.

The saying... Live by the sword, die by the sword.

The idea behind full liberty is that each man makes his own decisions. I fully agree that anyone trying to set up a "national revolution" would get rolled up in a heartbeat. I expect that the III% groups are half FBI ;>

Which returns us to a different point...IF LE would sack up and ot it's job, we'd have to put up with some inner city riots for a while, but that the democong and the Deep State would be crushed.

Because we are heaed for that dark ground you discuss one way or another unless things are done in a lawful manner.

The Left will not tolerate loss of power democratically.

The Left will not tolerate loss of power democratically.

Which we are witnessing first hand.

I guess it depends on what you actually plan to do, but I am afraid that you are being setup. Your government is only waiting for a civil war to happen so it can complete its final step.

I've known this for decade+. The laws they passed that give them massive powers if they can pass martial law. Civil War wouldn't get very far. They would activate national martial law and that pretty much suspends everything and grants great power. If they can kill Trump before then it would give whomever they have as president truly dictatorial powers.

If they can use killing Trump to trigger it that is even better for them.

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