A prophetable dictatorship

in #philosophy7 years ago (edited)

They are just misunderstood.

Dictators are given a pretty bad rap all in all. No one ever seems to give them a fair go to rule and are constantly trying to over throw them. What else can a poor dictator do but oppress the people enough so as to then be able to lead effectively?

I assume that the problem many have with dictators, other than the greed, violence and murdering of opposition of course, is that no one really likes to be told what to do. Especially when who is doing the telling is from a vastly different background, a different present and likely only has their own future interests at heart.

The other issue is that even if a dictator starts off as a 'for the people' kind of person, the chances that they will soon become power hungry, insecure and fearful, overreaching and violent are quite high as wielding ultimate rule is likely to go to one's head and heart.

You know, like a stereotypical government.

Let's just agree to continue.

But, is it possible to have a benevolent dictator who would always do what they thought was in the best interest of the people, be peaceful, play no favorites and be incorruptible? If this person existed, would people willingly accept and support a dictator as a leader?

I find this idea quite interesting, partly because I think I would be a pretty good dictator if given the position. My wife probably thinks I am in training now. But, if people do not wisely choose me, I need a fill in for the example, so Jesus it is.

For this hypothetical I am choosing a Christian figure because surprisingly, if anyone is going to get majority support, it would likely be him. Christianity is the largest global religion with about 32 percent with Muslims making up about 23 percent. In Islam, Jesus is highly revered and plays pivotal roles in both the legend and the future of the religion with some viewing him as the perfect man. So with over half supporting the choice, let's pretend it is all by way of democracy.

Would Jesus make a good dictator?

Facing challenges.

Let's also pretend for a moment that rather than encourage people to act independently, Jesus would actually take the role as dictator of a large country. Would he be corruptible, play favorites, be violent or ignore some sections of society?

Would the dictatorship country with Jesus as the head be successful? Would people accept the directions of someone who is earnestly and with all power trying to do what is right for all involved? Unlikely.

There would probably still be people that would try to undermine and gain advantage and power over others, people who still want total power themselves, people who just don't like being told what to do or having to blindly conform to another's will.

So then what? How does Jesus react to this internal pressure looking to take away power from the position he has been afforded by the people? If he chooses personal sacrifice, that leaves 'his' people at the mercy of those looking to gain advantage over them. If he punishes them directly, he is silencing his opposition like any other dictator.

And what of external pressures from other countries? How does Jesus negotiate the geopolitical landscape when all know or assume that he is unwilling to resort to violence of any kind? Would this leave the country open to unencumbered attack? At what point would he go to war? At what point would he be willing to kill to maintain stability in his own country?

Would it come down to 'the greater good' and reducing collateral damage? Would he be able to maintain 'clean hands' given this leadership position?

What would the country financials look like, the income gaps, equality between sexes, religions and ethnicity, would discrimination be tolerated, are there prisons? Is everything rosy or in turmoil?

To think a little wider.

Now, I am no theologian, I am not religious nor am I well versed in the matters of religions. But this hypothetical is actually not about any religious aspects but more the idea of authority in general.

Would you be willing to give total control to an authority if you knew they would always have your best interest at heart, or would you want independence to think and do as you see fit, even if your actions are at times much less than perfect and may even be harmful to yourself and others?

There are lots of questions in here and no answers but if someone wants to play along and add some detail, feel free. This isn't meant to be too controversial, just a thinking exercise on centralized or decentralized control, individuality, security and perhaps personal morality itself.

I would say that no authority, however intelligent or benevolent would lead to a Utopia unless all unanimously both agreed and acted to support it. But for that to happen, it must be done via the free will of the individual for to do it any other way, would create conflicts that would destroy the concept before it was built. I think. Maybe. I should spend some more time considering it.

What do you think of this nonsense?

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If Jesus is the god/man I was taught to believe in, He already has ultimate power and has given us the free will to live as we wish. So if the world is a mess, it must be either his plan or his fault. Whoever sees him first can ask... "What were you thinking?"

Whoever sees him first is the subject of another post :)

Let's say he got it wrong originally and has now returned to dictate terms. Would you accept the rule?

Not an earthly rule! That poses many conflicts within my personal understanding of His teaching, but I am thinking you nor I want to debate theology.

If you want an example of a well-run despotism, you need but look to the East. The complex Confucian social code kept the Chinese peasants in line for over 5000-years, before the KuoMinDang and the Communists poisoned the peasants' minds with Western drivel.

Limiting literacy rate to the top 20% will also go a long way in stability of the despotic regime. The true art of governance lies in having both the enforcer and the enforced be the same person; with complex social rituals, upwards social obligations, and prominence of social "face" a despot can rule without the fear of a social revolt, as the drones will be busy keeping themselves in line. Using external force, such as an overblown security bureaucracy is an inelegant solution to maintaining social stability.

So, Jesus would be quite a terrible dictator.

Haha. The concept of dictator, or tyrant, assumes that the authority derives from the "people" or the "people's welfare." The fools even use titles like "President" or "Chairman." The House of Saud and King of Jordan have the right idea: the king derives power not from the people but from God, tradition, or history. I think anyone, even the Christian God, whose regime has predicated assumption of power eminating from the masses is doomed to failure at the outset.

And this is why I fear I am regrettably going to have to take the position by force. I am not violent by nature but, it is for the good of the people after all.

Well, Iceland seems to have a very well-run government with her society valuing communal welfare, rather than individual achievement. If you want to establish a populist rule, then you will need to find or manufacture some type of social discontent and social fracturing.

You could produce a forgery of you bloodline descending from a hero in a Vinlandic saga, but the communal nature of Icelandic society will likely uncover the forgery in short order.

It seems quite difficult to consolidate power in Scandinavia and her outliers, due to the long tradition of egalitarian political and social matrix.

I advise thinking about SE Asia, Latin America, or the Carribean for your dictatorial adventure. I don't recommend Africa, as the tribal and ethnic sensibility still seems too intense, even 50 years post-colonialism.

Yeah, the Nordics somehow make this mess work but I think in the case of Finland it is because they have been engineered not to resist publicly and they are quite shy and do not like big crowds.

The Vikings would trade with Finland because attacking it was useless as the Finns would just run off into the trees instead of defend. There were Finnish individual Vikings that went to Sweden, Denmark etc but no Finnish groups as they could not cooperate and agree together to get a large enough party to raid. Not much has changed as they spend more time competing with their neighbors than improving their own lot or questioning the government. There is a slow shift though towards speaking out but unfortunately I think it is heading along the same route as most of the West.

I think I just need to change my name to Tarazsson and I am in in Iceland other than my skin color of course. I could get away with it in SE Asia, L.America and perhaps even the Caribbean.

As a theologian (and kind of religious) I think Jesus would make an excellent dictator hahaha!!! Generally though, I think that people (meaning citizens who vote or violently governed without the right to vote) care about actions not tags. I mean, if there were - or can be - a so called 'dictator' that actually cares for the people and loves his country, I don't think it would matter that much to them to be honest. As long as they live well, who governs is less important. I know people who still remember (if older) or refer to (if younger) to our dictatorship in Greece (1967-1974) as the best period of time in the country. I don't really know if I can agree or disagree, 'cause I didn't live at this time. Of course I might be a bit influenced by my family's views, but I don't have an objective opinion about it. I also think that the notion of 'authority' is kind of misunderstood. If not taken by force then it means I 'authorize' you to make this country better - and if you can, then you succeeded! :)
Just some of my views, I'll come back to the matter soon, I need to catch up with the reeeest! :D

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