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RE: The Utopia of Sir Thomas More

in #philosophy6 years ago

I have long recommended More's Utopia. His thoughts bubble to the surface in the works of several thinkers, including Marx, Kropotkin, and Peter Maurin (of Catholic Worker fame).

Although I recognize the dated nature of More's proposal, I tend to agree with his impulse toward the necessity of labor. I'm interested in using technology to create a post-scarcity society (to the extent such a goal is possible), but I'm completely disinterested in any kind of hedonistic culture. Sure, I wish we all had more leisure time, and I wish more of our hours were dedicated to labors we find more fulfilling, but I don't think a vapid culture will get us anywhere.

So what does "work" look like in this ideal post-scarcity world? Well, I believe that your post here exemplifies such labor, but it's only one example. I want a world in which we labor for our own betterment and the betterment of others, not the enrichment of gluttonous capitalists.

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UwU ~ Thanks for reading and thanks for some philosophical input. I agree a lot that is works tend to be reflected in many thinkers (those included that yah listed). I think that if Sir Thomas More would've lived longer, he would've agreed with that point of using technology on a massive scale (and he didn't disagree with using technology, just not that mentioned much nor did he saw the rhythm of machinery we have today).

On the point of hedonism and Hedonism: hedonism is definitely a type of Hedonism (pleasure for the sake of pleasure), but I shall remind everyone if I hadn't made it clear that Sir Thomas More and Epicurus (the one that I tagged directly with Hedonism) were not looking for vapid cultures. It does reflect within the luxuries and fashion section for Sir Thomas More, and Epicurus having a disdain of too much and too little pleasure (or pleasure that works towards the Good or Eudaimonia) and advocating for moderation. Regardless, if both were alive today to see our modern conception of hedonism, they'd probably puke in disgust before sounding like saintly priests (Sir Thomas More with his hair-shirt that he may have worn and Epicurus with moderation, which I must add may have been due to Virtue Ethics being very popular in Greco-Roman Antiquity).

On work: indeed, More's Utopia was one of many; I haven't even scantly mentioned Robert Owen nor Fourier in this entire post. And those two indeed have attempted at their own Utopian Socialist programmes (Robert Owen for sure we have him breaking down completely what his project succeeded and failed at; Fourier for sure having to deal with French Political BS at the time and never getting the time to experiment his ideas). Regardless, only the children of tomorrow will know and we will plant the seeds for them that they shall tend under when we're long gone.

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