Usability of visualization and pre-supposition as tools affecting perceived reality

Hello There, 

This is the response to the previous response of @alexgr. In order to understand what we are discussing you would have to read his entire thread from the beginning, then my response to it and then his response to mine.  Sorry about this, but for me, it is easier to write a response as a separate post because I am not very experienced in steam it and still feel that this editor is not so user friendly. 

Thus, I understand if at this point you will leave this post. Wink, wink… 

Just in case you happen to be very brave, curious and persistent to undertake this labor here is the link to the original post by @alexgr. https://steemit.com/philosophy/@alexgr/positive-thinking-why-is-it-a-hit-and-miss-experience 

Hi @alexgr, 

1. The core thing is "what we truly expect will happen". This is much more important 
than what we "want" or say that we believe. This is the major misunderstanding on 
why positive thinking works or fails.

Yes, that’s pretty much what I understood. Whether you call it “expectation of happening” or “a strong belief,” it’s a matter of a word choice. 

2. This is not limited to "success", however that is defined. It can be about anything really. 
One may want to leave their highly "successful" job and start doing what they love. Another 
may want to heal from something, etc. 

I am also with you on number 2 and was talking about “success” because this was the subject of your original post. 

I also agree that the Internet is a great equalizer and this is a an awesome advantage of this day of age. Still, there are situations where a person cannot have a possibility to access the Internet as s/he lives in a remote village or they are not rich enough to access it. There are countries when kids are born from nine or ten-year-old teenagers and live their short lives in a garbage dump. When we speak about marginality, we can mentally travel to a different time when there was no Internet, while, I presume, the visualization and pre-supposition existed. Therefore, when talking about a marginal situation, when a person is enslaved, chains, banished as an oarsman to a Roman galley, or as a political prisoner to GULAG, etc. There were, of course, escapes from slavery or serfdom and prison breaks. Although I am not sure they were a consequence of only visualization and pre-supposition, but rather of careful and imaginative planning. 

 I wonder what in your estimate the limitations of mastering the environment are?

Your examples with healing the wound and dissolving the cloud are truly amazing. In both cases, it suggests the presence of an exceptional will power. Yet, did you ever try to find out the limitations of your command over subconscious mind? For example, did you try to force the stock market ticker to go up or down? 

I wonder if there are limitations to a speed and power, with which the command over one’s subconscious mind can change the perceived reality? For example, if you can make a tree fall, how much more time and effort will this attempt take?  

There used to be a Scottish medium by the name of Daniel Dunglas Home who reportedly had the ability to levitate to a variety of heights, speak with the dead, and knocks in houses at will. Could this example, and similar ones be a mere manifestation of a trained subconscious mind? 

Recently I went through an interesting experience with the psychic. This lady accessed my aura and was balancing my energies. She also removed some negative memories from my subconscious mind that came from another life i.e. when my soul resided in another body. I described a similar experience in this story. 

https://steemit.com/writing/@mgaft1/spiritual-healing-panic-attack-case-part-1-an-original-short-story https://steemit.com/writing/@mgaft1/spiritual-healing-panic-attack-case-part-2-an-original-short-story 

Not sure whether I should believe this explanation or not. However, I do feel better now and if a person can access and manipulate his/her own subconscious mind, why can’t it be done by someone else? 

Application of subconscious mind to sports activities and health

I am not sure your examples in sports and health were well chosen. I used to be a competitive runner. I didn’t do it because I was trying to be healthier, but because I loved to run and let’s be honest (win.) When you stand on the podium and hear the national anthem, this is an absolutely unforgettable and euphoric feeling. Surely, I tried to take care of my diet, because of the well-known rule “the less you weigh in life the more you weigh on a racetrack.” I tried to take care of my muscles with post-isometric stretching and massage because in order to produce results your muscles must work in assembly. Also if some muscles are flaccid and other is in elevated resting tone you are predisposed for muscular pathology and injuries. Also, in sports, the most dangerous damages are caused by an unexpected force. It’s those pushes, pulls, and shoves that come from the sides and back. 

In this fragment, Mary Decker was injured not because she thought she might sustain the injury if she runs next to Zola. In fact, she was absolutely sure of her win. At the time she was the strongest female miler in the world. No one in the final heat could come close to her stamina and the finished kick. She breezed through the qualifying heats and semifinals. In fact, she could have run on the third lane completely alone and still would win. She was completely mentally prepared to win the games and be celebrated and revered by her countrymen. Yet she sustained an injury because she wasn’t careful enough and was tripped unexpectedly.   

As for taking supplements and steroids I also don’t think people take them for the purpose of improving their health, but rather to get the edge in athletic perforce.  

What about accidents?

I also don’t think accidents always happen because one somehow prepares himself for their occurrence. I mean, this is possible, but this isn’t always the case. This entire summer I was swimming in a pool at about the same time. A couple of days ago I went to the pool and saw lots of people there having a pool party making the pool looked like a matzo ball soup. Since this made my task of swimming lapses impossible I turned back and somehow slipped, fell and broke the wrist. Apparently, lots of people were going back and forth and I didn’t notice that the floor was wet.   

It is, probably, possible to come up with some complex reasoning involving my subconscious mind being afraid of slipping or something like that. However, I think I didn’t give it any thought what so ever and was absolutely sure that nothing would happen. Should I notice the condition of the floor earlier I would be more careful and nothing would have happened. 

Do these considerations undermine the value of the control over subconscious mind?

I think not. The experiences you’ve described as well as their theoretical underlining are very valuable. I will definitely try to exercise visualization and pre-supposition techniques to my best ability in achieving a success in accomplishing big and small tasks. So thank you for teaching me these techniques. I think it is also very important to contemplate on what’s going on with my system of beliefs and make is as homogeneous as possible.

What do you think about Fibonacci numbers?

A little while ago I listened to several lectures of post-modernistic philosophy. After Nietzsche came up with his concepts of the death of God and a super human the modernistic period in philosophy ended. Several philosophers whose names I don’t recall came up with the concept of our perceived physical reality being only a reflection of our mind. This wasn’t an easy concept to grasp after being assaulted from birth with the dialectic materialism of Marx and Engels. Yet I am slowly getting to grips with it.

In that frame of reference your concept of effecting the objective reality with your mind, as in your cloud example, makes a lot of sense. 

I was wondering if you have any incite on this?