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RE: A Legacy of Fear - Selling your soul wasn't even as evil as it could get...
I still don't have an answer for that. Deism is close, but I'm not sure that there is one single deity. To put a steemit reference to my answer, I tend to believe more in a distributed group of deities/forces.
The StarWars reference to midi-chlorians is also very close to what I believe.
But I also respects everyone's choice in faith - since noone knows the answer, who am I to say who is right or wrong in their beliefs.
Yeah deism doesn't seek to define creator. It isn't even one of their goals. They basically just believe in some catalyst... now look around, observe, and use reason.
I like it because it doesn't try to force other people into a box of WHAT IS, and allows them freedom to think for themselves. The only truths they are really interested in are based upon observation and reason.
This too is true. It is also why I only talk about religion occasionally. I don't like to force it upon people.
Yet that doesn't stop society from trying to force it upon me, so I occasionally hit a cluster of articles on religion.
You can observe and deduct a creator very easily with your method.
Observe and deduct is called a hypothesis or speculation. That is not proof.
I can observe and deduct and make up MANY different plausible explanations. That used to be a game of mine. That doesn't make any of them true.
They just could explain what I observed at the time. Yet it didn't prove anything.
Observation and Deduction are not sufficient for ANY kind of proof. That is just the hypothesis stage. AKA speculation, guessing.
observing, and deducting is basically science. You can prove where you are, which in turn proves a creator, get it? No speculation required. This is not about religion. Trust me, I'm not religious. I'm a heavy metal freak , not a jesus freak. I just stumbled upon the truth, as known by secret societies and many more.. The answers are CLEARLY known.
Your observance of your existence does not proof the existence of a creator (or anything else at that).
The observance of a fish also does not prove the existence of a fisher boat.
No it is not.
That is the first few stages of the scientific method. Science is things discovered using the scientific method.
It doesn't stop at those stages, and those first few stages prove absolutely NOTHING. It requires all of the stages to actually prove something.
so, no, it's not.. but it's the first few steps. :) LOL Thanks.
Hypothesis, plus controlled observation, repeated is part of it. Analysis/Deduction and links to other works is the last part.
Finally conclusions comes next.... based on observation and deduction.
I think I said it 'basically' as stated. I am aware of the extra steps, and repeatablity, etc.. also statistical analysis of errors, etc... I could go on, but most smart people who understand how things work get the gist of what I said.
Then you think wrong. You either stated it as the scientific method is stated, or you did not. In your case you did not. Moving words around and taking them into a context of your choice and skipping steps, ignoring others, and jumping to conclusions without challenge is not even close to the scientific method, and thus is NOT science. It is only opinion, guessing, and speculation. You can call it observation and hypothesis as that is as far as it goes.
That is a pretty ignorant conclusion to make. First Saying you can PROVE something is not doing it. So prove it. Don't just talk about it. First proving ONE thing and then making a conclusion about something completely different is not even close to proof or science. There is the saying "Correlation does not equal Causation." Your premise is a good example of this with one problem. It also doesn't actually even prove or show any correlation.
Oh by the way I never said there was no creator. I simply stated I don't believe in revealed religions. In otherwords ones someone is basing on speculation about observations (primitive man at that) and/or visions or things they heard.
I am equally comfortable with being either an atheist (no creator) or a deist (there is a creator but we don't define it).
As you know what I do regardless of either of those?
Observe and use reason. I actually do lean towards a creator.... yet I don't believe it is anything like in any bibles. Those seem silly and don't explain a lot of things and require magical thinking.
I do think there easily could have been a creator or catalyst. That doesn't mean they are superior. I don't seek to define what the creator is.
Instead I observe and use reason. So yes I do DEDUCT... yet all that leaves me with is hypothesis. So yes while it is fun to think about such things I don't treat my hypothesis as the truth and then try to force people to believe my guesswork. I don't write it into a book, and tell people they must believe what I wrote based upon my deductions from my observations.
First the world is vast. Our language is ever expanding, but people can only express themselves in as complex a thought as they have the language to explain. They also cannot truly make sense of things they cannot explain so their explanations are going to fit within the confines of the words and things they do know. So those guesses are going to be way off....
I mean some of them thought lightning and thunder was Zeus going to town up there angry about something... or the Norse that it was Thor. The Native Americans it was sometimes the Thunderbird depending upon which ones you spoke to.
All of these people Observed and used Deduction based upon their limited knowledge.
I will simplify it for you. You can't prove there is one, and you can't prove there isn't one. All you can do is observe an use reason.
Also because I'm getting ready to leave town for three days and may not see your responses. You are totally free to believe what you want. I don't actually have a problem with that as long as you don't force me to, and you don't pass laws that impact me based upon those beliefs.
I also would not ever pass laws or endorse them that restricted your beliefs.
People can believe the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese and that is harmless until they force it upon others or make laws up based upon those beliefs.
I also did not share my views (Deism/Atheism) to tell people they should be those things. I don't believe that. I only shared them to show where I come from, and how my mind perceives things.
I am also extremely well versed in religion. I own a lot of bibles, and as I was raised Christian, and that's predominantly around I know the most about that one... but I go back way further than just the Councils of Nicea (1st and 2nd) and also have looked into early Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and how they interacted with each other and how it influenced and changed the faiths.
Most people don't know that until Judaism and Zoroastrianism mingled there was no Hell, and there was no concept of Satan or Lucifer. Early Judaism truly was monotheistic. Zoroastrians on the other hand had a good god and a bad god, though like Satan they didn't always refer to the bad god as actually a god... but more as the adversary. They also had a heaven/hell type setup...
Eventually that leaked into Judaism (aka the old testament jews) and soon Judaism had a bad guy, and heaven and hell... later Christ came along as a Jew in judaism and said other things (very eastern sounding things actually) and we have the New Testament from that, and the Old Testament from Judaism. Though both were cobbled together and heavily edited by the 1st and 2nd councils of Nicea. A lot of material didn't make it into them (aka censoring) and thus that is part of the big deal with the dead sea scrolls, as some of that is items that were censored... one that is easier to find is the Book of Enoch which is removed from most modern bibles, but it was actually part of them for some time.
So observe and deduct... you can apply that to history too and the changing and evolution of the faiths. You can watch famous people in history and how they influenced and lead to changes. You can watch invasions, and attempts to convert people and how that lead to changes.
Observe and deduct... man.
I am not religious. I said a creator can be proven, by proving the nature of our existence. i think organized religions are mostly bullshit, but there's truth in there too. Cant' disregard anything when searching for the actual truth. What I'm saying is beyond all faith, you can answer this question yourself.
You and I agree there.
I can guess. I can't answer. I can guess a lot of different things too. I do enjoy guessing, yet I do not make that mistake of believing because I can guess something that makes it fact.