The "What Would Jesus Do" statements and thought pattern

in #philosophy8 years ago (edited)


These days I've seen people wearing the WWJD type T-shirts and other things which stands for "What Would Jesus Do" and they say it solves most problems.

I get it. I truly do. I am not particularly religious but I too appreciate the teachings and moral values that can be found in things like the Sermon on the Mount. I too like helping people.

Yet I also don't know that I've ever been able to perform what would be constituted as a miracle in my life. I also do not plan my life around my ability to potentially perform miracles in the future. It is unlikely, so it is not how I plan my life.

Why does this matter?

Well let's take the "What Would Jesus Do" approach and apply it to immigration. Would Jesus turn anyone away? Not likely. If Jesus saw someone who came here with our without legal consent that was starving would he try to feed them? Most likely yes.

This is where we get down to the nitty gritty differences between You, Jesus, and Myself.

We have finite space, we have finite food, and we have people who already live here that struggle. Unlike Jesus I cannot take water and turn it into wine. Unlike Jesus I cannot take a fish and turn it into many fish. I cannot take a loaf of bread and turn it into many loaves of bread.

Thus, some of the things Jesus would do... we cannot do. So there are some activities especially those related to socialism, immigration, etc that the What Would Jesus Do is not particularly realistic. It should be more What Would Jesus Do If He Couldn't Solve a Problem Through Use of a Miracle. Yes, I know that is not as catchy. It is however, realistic.

The way I described the situation to my family is that I like to help people, yet I've begun to view my life as traveling on a boat. I can help people by pulling them onto the boat. Yet a boat only has so much buoyancy so eventually the boat will sink if I keep pulling people onto it. The point is that reality requires we pay attention and sometimes we have to say NO even when it is something we'd really like to do purely for the sake of survival.

How much a person can lose before they consider themselves in "poverty" is a very subjective thing. I too have experienced this. In the United States there was one year many years ago where my wife, my four kids living with us, and myself survived on $19,000. To put that into perspective. That is around $365 per week, or $61 per person per week. That had to cover food, clothing, traveling expenses, and any other need. Again this is in the United States. A single trip to a fast food restaurant can cost an individual more than $5 for a meal and easily more than $10 per day if that is all they eat.

Needless to say you find other ways to survive. We did not eat out at restaurants generally we got very smart at shopping for food and extending food. We did not eat luxurious things and we almost always used generic varieties of food.

We managed to get by.

During that time I worked with a guy who came from what I considered a wealthy family. His car payment and insurance were likely about what my family and I lived on each month.

At one point I heard him whining about how broke he was. You know what? Subjectively to him he was. He had those same gut feelings that my family and I have when we struggle. Sure as far as my family was concerned he was a fool who had no clue how far he could fall. We would have sold his car, bought a much less expensive one, and lived nicely for some time.

Yet that feeling people have when they think they have hit "poverty" is based around what goes on in their mind. They feel the same as someone who has much less than them feels when they struggle. Our minds become conditioned to what we expect to be a normal life, what we expect to be extravagant when we can splurge, and generally when we cannot even meet what we consider normal that is when we'll claim to be broke or struggling.

If it goes on long enough we adjust, learn new techniques as my family and I did and we extend what we can do with money. We eliminate things we truly don't need. We find free or other methods of entertainment, etc.

People can usually go further and further. What each of us considers "poor", or "broke" is a very subjective thing based upon our own lives. Sadly we would benefit if more of us understood what methods other people have learned to survive.

As far as "What would Jesus Do" I believe we also subjectively interpret that based upon our personal experiences.

I would like to consider myself a realist. I believe it is better to teach a person to fish than to simply give them fish. I also believe that if a system cannot bear additional people that no matter how I may feel about saying NO to someone that it is still NO that must be responsibly stated.

I also do not feel I have the right to steal from any of my fellow citizens simply so I feel better and can do more "what would Jesus do" type of things, because that is in fact what has to be done.

These things do not happen for free. They require resources and funds. People will also typically endorse having the government do it, which I am not a fan of. I actually think having the government do it is not something Jesus would do.

The government does not work on voluntary action. It exists based upon force. It can forcefully acquire the funds you need for your desires so you don't feel guilty about saying no by taking those funds from other people.

So if you say "The government needs to do X, or should start program Y" you are not doing what Jesus would do. You are backing someone that is going to use force to make X and Y happen. That is not what Jesus would do. Jesus would do something more akin to crowd sourcing which is voluntary and doesn't require government action.

Immigration needs to be checked, and responsibly managed so you don't sink the boat that all of us live on. It also needs to be checked so you are not stealing from other people in order to not feel guilty about being able to permit more people to illegally jump onto your boat.

I endorse compassion, morality, charity, and helping of people. Yet those things must all be tempered with reason and a rational mind. They cannot and should not be done just so you and I feel good. We need to think about the future too, not just about our momentary gratification and opportunities to virtue signal.

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Regarding immigration, it was Jesus who once said to a Canannite woman that men do not give food to dogs, when their children have not been fed.

He also said to render unto Caesar what is his.

Most importantly, He told a procurator that His Kingdom is not of this world. He even rebuked a follower for requesting arbitration over inheritance. WWJD? Most likely nothing.

Jesus covered this.

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

He also covers paying taxes.
Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor

Ugh. I hadn't recalled those passages. It's been awhile. Like I said I am not particularly religious. To that last paragraph I happily say "fuck that". I'm not much into appeals to authority.

I can help people without enslaving other people, or forcing other people. Good ideas do not require force, and I absolutely see taxes as force. If you don't think they are try NOT paying them and see what happens.

I'm not religious either. I just put those up because they were directly relevant to the post.

Jesus also said you should beat disobedient slaves, so it's probably better we don't do what Jesus would do.

"The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked" - Jesus-

Hehe... When I say not particularly religious I am equally fine with Atheism or Deism (not the same as Theism). There either was or wasn't some creator. Though I don't believe will find them in books, visions, etc.

Also considering the first council of Nicea did not formulate that book until long after the alleged death of Jesus it is really difficult to know how much is something he allegedly said and how much of it is the work of the Nicean editors/censors working on the behalf of Constantine.

But for most, it is just a fad, a gimmick or a fashion statement. ... Some few really want to know what Jesus would do if He were alive on earth today. ...

If I could perform miracles I'd certainly do a lot of additional things. :) It would certainly change the scope of possible things I could do.


;-)

Jesus would rip his gear off and smoke a blunt

I think it's funny that hubristic-humans think so much of themselves that they can connect with whatever the Truth would be of, " WWJD"? Far too many people think themselves on par with Jesus so as to think like him (or in cases I see here: better than) to even get close to his thought patterns. His own Disciples had major difficulty with it and they were in his very presence constantly!
A better question is " what would Jesus tell me to do?"
And If He is going to judge your soul (whatever that is) it's far more important to get with Him instead of opposed to Him.

I was never really a big fan of Jesus. Holding the other cheek to the attacker is a direct opposition to the values of self defense imo.

Also "dying for the sins of others" sounds a lot like a virtue signaling SJW ;).

I wanted to push a Steemian who considers herself a satanist to you: @ladyreijya . It is really interesting stuff and at least her form of satanism is something that not identifies as a countermovement to christianity but something much older.

To give you a short overview: They believe that Satan created us humans to be godlike beings and therefore they embrace self-improvement, free thinking, science and rejection of absolute authorities. They see most other religions as something that often roots in satanism but got extremely corrupted.

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