RE: Raw meat eaters debate vegans?!
Okay I speed read through it a bit, and I reread what you said and see you mentioned a difference between fats that I didn't notice before and pointed out this.
VISCERAL FAT - not flab - IS THE KILLER.
Okay, I googled it and came up with links that say scientists don't know what causes visceral fat so I guess you know more than the consensus. To me this is simple and it's what I said originally.. All forms of fat and protein and carbs do this if you overconsume. This is why you get both meat eaters and vegans dying of the same kinds of diseases if they over eat. And likewise you can typicially have healthy vegans and non vegans if they are athletic.
However, vegans tend to be killing it in competition.. So.. We have an edge there it seems like.
Either way.. You're totally distorting all of this in my opinion. I'm guessing you just need to exercise enough, that's your problem. It's less your diet, more that you don't exercise enough.
I don't think any health athletic person is worrying about inernal organ fat, no.. That's a concern for obese people which are usually animal product eaters, but also occasionally vegans too.
And, in vegan cases these are people who eat like all processed junk food.
No one who really like cares about their health and who is active and healthy and exercises should have to worry about such.
So assuming even if your study was accurate and that carbs were worse in that sense, the answer is simple. Exercise more. Better than consuming toxic flesh and dairy.
PS.. Maybe you should look up the rates of diabetes among vegans by the way... And see how veganism is actually a treatment for diabetes.. Vegan populations have less rates of diabetes.. How the heck can that be true according to what you've said...??? But once again it comes down to eating healthy and exercising, even vegans can eat junk food and get disease, especially if they don't exercise enough.
"PS.. Maybe you should look up the rates of diabetes among vegans by the way... And see how veganism is actually a treatment for diabetes.. "
So is the Atkins diet.
When you eat only vegetables, it can be difficult to overeat, as many vegetables are calorie-poor. But it depends on the vegan diet you eat.
If your vegan diet is salads, great! if your vegan diet is donuts - you're going to get diabetes.
If you eat only raw vegan foods, you are really going to shed weight.
But then, if you ate only cardboard, that would also be true.
All your studies showing veganism to be better than meat diets have one MASSIVE confounder. People who are Vegans are likely to be food nazis, watching what they eat like a hawk.
It is far more likely that a meat eater will eat a donut than a vegan will.
So you need to compare meat diets no carbs against vegan diets no carbs, against meat diets with carbs, against vegan diets with carbs.
What you are likely comparing is someone who eats a meatburger on a bun with someone who eats salad for lunch.
So go compare a PALEO diet person with a vegan who eats deep-fried carb-heavy meals.
Now come back with the comparison.