Because I said so - how you're damaging the adult your child will become

in #parenting6 years ago

Thoughts running through my head.
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I saw this picture earlier and I really liked it, really got me thinking. It's depressing, the state of things, yes, but why is it like that?
Well, like the picture says, it's like that because we've grown used to it, we're used to being slaves because we have been for so long, we no longer think in terms of slaves and masters, much less slaves and freemen. It's become a given, the status quo.
But where did we learn that? 'Cause you're not born a slave, or at least, you're not born knowing you're a slave, it's an attitude that develops over time. Let's examine this a bit.
You're born, free but within limits. You must obey your parents, you're taught that very early on, and it makes sense, to an extent. But it often goes over that limit. 'Because I say so' is often the rule of thumb, in many families, and you soon learn not to question it.
Who knows, if you do, you might get sent to your room, made to stand in the corner, your privileges will be revoked. You might even get a smack or two, on occasion. The modern alternative to a whip on your back.

No, really, have you noticed how tiring it is to deal with an unruly child? You find yourself giving absurd reasons to do things like 'because you should' – well, that doesn't really answer anything, does it?
It's easier to just establish your authority as the parent (or the adult) from the get-go. Your word is rule, you are not to be questioned or argued with. Heaven knows you don't need more of that, you catch enough BS from other adults, why should you have to put up with that from your kid? He's 3, for God's sake!


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Do you see yet where I'm going with this?

Okay, so we've established you're boss and the kid grows up respecting that. Respecting you. Pay attention to that word, it will come in handy later on. Then, you send him off to school where what does he find but more authority figures?
This is Mrs X, she's your teacher and you must respect that. Well, that's a bit alright, innit? Kinda like Mum and Dad...
If you think about it, it's very absurd, but it's something you don't think about, as a kid. Looking back, I can remember several teachers I was afraid of, when I was at school. And it wasn't just me, it was everyone in the class who feared them. And it occurs to me only now that's not normal. That shouldn't be how things are.

You'd often think if the teachers finds out, we're toast. But we weren't doing anything wrong, you know, mindless things like waiting on the hallway for the teacher to come to class. We weren't rude or doing anything bad...And yet, the fear was there. Because it didn't matter that I, the child, knew I wasn't doing something wrong. What mattered was the teacher had the means to punish us, if she saw fit to do so.
Through a bad grade, kicking you out of class, sending you to the principle...You could get in trouble.

Do you see the snag here? It didn't matter that you thought you weren't doing something wrong. God forbid you try explaining that! Talking back? Is that what you think you're doing, talking back to your teacher? How rude...

It wasn't talking back, it was your right to free speech. I twas the fact that your opinion and point of view mattered and ought to be respected, even if you were just a small kid. But hey, adults know best, remember?

You don't talk back, you don't express your point of view, you learned this at home.
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Same with respect...

That's in the smaller classes, the older kids, I'll admit, sometimes get out of hand. I was a rebellious student myself. I remember me and this other boy getting into a huge argument with the Religion teacher at our school because he wouldn't answer a question. We weren't rude, we simply pointed out he was not answering our questions, dismantling his answers. Well, he called the principle. We were such rude little sixth-graders. How did we dare, I wonder?
As I said, I was a bit of a troublemaker, but I never set out to be rude or disturb class. What I did do was act out against the teachers I didn't like. You know why I didn't like them? Because they made me and others feel small, because they bullied us and denied our right to argue.
Quite simply, because they didn't respect us.

See, children aren't dumb. They understand what's going on and they can see when someone isn't respecting them, when they're being mistreated. And that's why a lot of those little rascals are like that. After all, how much respect do you deserve when you don't respect me? Simply because I'm smaller than you...

But hey, if you taught your kids they should respect you (and their teachers) simply because, then what do you expect? They get trampled on, walked all over. And soon enough, they grow up to be employees mistreated by their boss and by the government, abused, robbed and so on. Why? Because they grew up with authority figures all their lives.
They've been taught they do not deserve respect. If I respect myself, then I will be able to recognize if someone is mistreating me, or acting like they should not. But if I don't, I will probably put up with a lot more abuse and mistreatment...
And it all depends so much on how you're brought up, because those first twenty years of your life are crucial. They're character-forming and by teaching your child they should blindly obey and allow others to walk all over them, well, that's the adult you're building.

I'm not saying this is universal, that all kid-parent relationships are like this. They're not. But a lot of them are. Many parents seem to believe in the 'Because I said so' rule, which isn't helpful in the least.
And I'm not saying you, as a parent, should have a rule-free house or live in anarchy or whatever, but that you should treat your child first and foremost as a human being.

You deserve as much respect as I do.

Your opinion is just as important.

You might be wrong. But I might be wrong, too.


Thank you for reading,

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I can so relate to what you are saying here and as a parent I'll be honest and say that at times I'm tired and guilty of saying that. I'll try and be more mindful going forward. Thank you for reminding me about that.

Excellent points all around. I would add another layer if I may: at birth (at least in the states) we are given names before we take our first breath, assigned a number reliant upon a contract signed by our parent(s) on our behalf without our consent that binds us to a government we didn't choose and illegal tax obligations that should be voluntary. Then we spend our lives (many of us) following the psychological path you laid out above until at the age of 25 years the average American needs approximately 1 year to read and understand all the contracts they have signed and have been signed on their behalf.

Layer upon layer of forced servitude. SLAVERY

I don't agree with such extreme point of view.

Frankly I think it's disrespectful for the millions who are enduring true slavery.

As an example think about those people emigrating to Qatar to help build facilities for the world cup. Their passport is taken from them by their employer and they work in horrible conditions for next to nothing.
Many have died.
That's slavery.

Call it disrespectful if you like, no worries. But slavery comes in many forms, and just because there are no chains on a person's hands of feet doesn't mean they are free.

I live in a place that is so rich in natural resources it would blow your mind. But authoritarian rule and meddling by american corporations, universities and clandestine agencies have turned entire nations full of beautiful people with beautiful lives into indentured servants.

I am by no means disrespecting them or anyone else. Quite the opposite in fact, I laud them for their austerity and stoicism in light of even the shittiest circumstances.

Many folks choose slavery (for comfort, familiarity, fear of change, indoctrination, and a million other reasons) Doesn't make it any less slavery.

I don't know where you are coming from, and it's not my intention to call you out. But my home is heavily indoctrinated into believing certain things like this little chestnut from the New Testament:

1 Peter 2:18-20

18 You who are slaves must submit to your masters with all respect.[a] Do what they tell you—not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.
19 For God is pleased when, conscious of his will, you patiently endure unjust treatment.
20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you.

What about the drive towards global slavery by companies like monsanto and their desire to create single generation seeds of every consumable plant on earth? Or the millions of people totally dependent on those seeds already.

In conclusion, my pov might be extreme but we are discussing an extreme subject. And to differentiate between forced slavery and indentured servitude (when there seems to be no better option) is a merely superficial and semantic argument.

I don't know too terribly much about Qatar but I would be very cautious using them as an example in any argument. There is much spin around this nation currently and much anti-Qatar rhetoric originating from Saudi Arabia into the hands of Trump adviser Elliot Broidy, then Trump.

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Not saying this isn't happening, crazy shit is happening everywhere all the time.

Slavery is just a very strong word.
While I appreciate that life is tough for many in many parts of the world and that many people have very limited choices in life due to economic, societal or political reasons, I don't think it's right to cover all injustices in the world under that word.

I think bringing in parenting into the mix under the word slavery is just wrong.
You said:

at birth (at least in the states) we are given names before we take our first breath, assigned a number reliant upon a contract signed by our parent(s) on our behalf without our consent that binds us to a government we didn't choose and illegal tax obligations that should be voluntary.

I'm not sure what contract you are referring to here. But honestly can you see any other way to raise children but to make some decision for them until they reach a certain age?
Of course these decisions are made without consent.
The laws in many countries are supposed to protect children against decisions made by parents that would be damaging to them.
For example, it's illegal in many countries to deprive children of education.

As for the obligation of tax we could discuss in length about this but I would be of the belief that a fair tax system is essential for any society to exist. Of course tax systems are rarely 100% fair...

Don't get me wrong, I think that there is definitely an interesting debate here that could deserve a few posts about the subject.

Firstly I'll just leave this here....
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I was referring to the birth certificate required by the government upon your birth which assigns you a number and obliges you to pay taxes which should be voluntary insofar as what has my or any other government done for their people that they cannot do for themselves? What percentage of the US government budget is earmarked for military and black budget Bullshit? Depending on who you believe it could be as high as 80%. Do we need war or rulers? Because as far as I can see that is the greatest service any government provides its people.

I respect your opinion friend. I hope I don't come across like an ass. I am actually very amiable and easy going, I'm just no good conveying that in text form haha

Oh, and as long as tax is necessary I agree that a fair consumption tax is a fine alternative to the current system

Parenting is not an easy job.

I totally agree with you that respect must be mutual.
However... You do not reason with a 3 years old child the way you can have a reasonable conversation with an adult.

A young child will test his parents to see how far he or she can go, that's normal. The 'because I said so’ is rarely a good reply but trust me there are many situations where the grown up can be forgiven for not coming with the most appropriate answer.

Raising children is very very demanding both physically and mentally. I have a demanding job which can be stressful at times but believe me it's nothing compared to raising young children. My kids are growing in a loving environment and I think they are growing up nicely but I do know how hard it can be at times.

Parents don't just have to be good parents, they also have to deal with the stresses and worries of work, bills and so many other things.

I think I know where you are coming from and some of your points are definitely valid. I used to think in similar lines but having my own children has been an eye opener and I wouldn't be judging other parents as harshly now.

As for teachers I know I used to have many average ones and some good ones. In secondary school the good ones had all something in common, they were strict and demanded respect but in return they were admired by the class. The other ones were abused all the time by the class and some sank into depression. One committed suicide.

In all fairness for teachers they have to manage 30 or so kids. It's not a job for everyone...

So much wisdom again @honeydue! Toxic parents & teachers & others in positions of power can do so much harm! Parents are often so busy with life that they do not take the time to explain to a child why their actions/ behaviour is unacceptable and also tell them that every action has a reaction so they think about what they're doing! I do believe the home will be so much more peaceful whereas telling them because I say so just confuses them and makes them more rebellious.
Respect is earned not forced on one.
Valuable lesson in your post!

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