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RE: How to talk dirty and influence people.

in #ocd5 years ago

Alright let's do this.

@trincowski

Also, if the Corona virus is as dangerous as some tell us, if

My OP was not about how dangerous the virus was, but how the response to the virus is percieved.

@some909

He doesn't believe it - otherwise he wouldn't make that fake video

I specifically say in my post to perceive the videos how you will, and mention several times in comments and the post that this is because it's impossible to get accurate and truthful sources in a country where the only news is state-owned and controlled.

I go on to explain that as a result, we have to sift through the conspiracies and lies to try to get the best picture we can.

I also say that I agree some of the videos are BS but that is not the point. The point is the narrative that these videos are giving; many of which are simply recorded videos of things going on.

The woman, for example, who for all I know is from HK or Taiwan, is still speaking truth, and her emotional performance is something that is very real going on in the country.

People do support independence here, people are suppressed and attacked by the legal system, and lawyers are silenced for speaking out for their clients.

Chinese people do eat horrendous things - that doesn't make them the only country. The infamous bat eating girl I think was in Indonesia. I had my fair share of disturbing dishes handed to me in Vietnam too. But we know Yulin dog festival exists, we know bats and pangolins and others exist in China -that's exactly why the government has just put a permanent ban on such practices.

The mahjong tables, I don't know why you say are funny. This was indeed a rule implemented to prevent social gatherings. Is that fake news? Prove it. I've seen at least a dozen videos going around of a similar nature.

And finally, the videos were sped up, as I explained, because YouTube only allows 15 minutes max. I'm under the assumption that most people will not be trying to listen to the Chinese so why would I try to distort it when I could just turn down the volume?

I think you were looking at the video too much at face value. I could have made it clearer (though I did point it out, as I said) that this was not to spread fear and in fact I've been openly against the idea of racist sentiment that's going around the world.

I also think the government response is highly extreme and much of it based on a lack of education/information.

None of my criticisms appear to be controversial by the West or the Chinese with the exception, presumably, of the overtly pro-CCP party members trolling the internet.

But I welcome you to dismantle things further with the above points in mind.

P.S. I'm a music history & composition teacher

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You cut the video - why is the guy eating a mouse speaking Vietnamese? We can go back to the Mahjong clip if you want, but then we'd have to address the other 19 - why did you cut together a bunch of irrelevant clips?

As you said, these can be found on Douyin, a Chinese app where Chinese people publish things about China.

If you wanted, I could have posted the numerous videos of Chinese people eating their own shit, or my own friend eating raw donkey testicles in Anhui, or indeed, the other videos of Chinese people eating live mice which is, by the way, a dish oft eaten in Guangdong, China. They call it 三叫鼠.

There's plenty of options. You're obsessing over one detail which doesn't at all derail the narrative that I'm trying to share from the Chinese - not created by me.

As I said, I might not have done a perfect job but that's exactly why I wrote the paragraph immediately above the video

19 - why did you cut together a bunch of irrelevant clips?

Very relevant, showing the silent sentiment of Chinese people who are the ones sharing these videos. As you may notice, not all the videos are 'bad'. Some are just showing what things are like. It's quite sweet and brave seeing neighbours socialising on their rooftops and, though uninformed, admirable that such extreme action such as the pointless sterilizing is taking place.

I tried to portray what was being spread on Chinese media in only 15 minutes, basically

So why are you using video from Vietnam to represent Guangdong? Do you even live in China? It seems you can't even tell dialects apart.

Again, why are you obsessing over a meaningless point? The thing happening in the video was A) shared by a Chinese B) a prevalent practice in China. If you really want I can make the whole video again and swap that video out for one of the ones showing a Chinese person eating them instead. Would that please you?

Do you not see the irony of this? Ok - cut together 20 of your "worst of China".

You'll have to show me the irony, yeah.

20 of my worst... I'm not interested in creating such a negative sentiment. But I can list a top 10 if you want:

1 - Yulin dog festival
2 - Mass surveillance/social credit system
3 - Xinjiang 'training centres', and hanging signs on Uighurs around their necks calling them dogs for not wearing masks
4 - various TCM such as poop tea, urine, rhino horns, unregulated herbs and powders (including placental powder)... Fertilized and almost hatched bird eggs (again, Anhui delicacy)
5 - Fake water, beer, gutter oil, baby supplements etc which has caused innumerable fatalities
7 - A lack of animal protection laws meaning people who were found dragging dogs behind their car until their paws and belly were worn off, intestines spilling out, well, they were hunted down by the public masses, chased and beaten because, at the end of the day, the guy only got a small charge for 'dangerous driving' only out of pressure from the public. This was not an isolated incident either. Videos of boiling animals live are prevalent and in my own neighborhood, a cat had its tail boiled off and, to my despair, died since I was unable to capture it to get it treated. Others in my neighborhood include a man caught with 1,000 stray (and some owned) cats hanging from bags in his apartment being prepped as other meat to be sold to restaurants around here. Of course, the charge was for selling illegal meat, not for murdering people's cats)
8 - People's homes demolished with 48 hours notice in the snowy winter of Beijing, and banning anyone help those now homeless with blankets and such
9 - Creator of Wechat groups arrested for something somebody else says in there, girl arrested, fined and banned for singing the anthem kinda badly for 2 seconds. That kinda thing (of which there's a million examples) - general totalitarian control
10 - General racism we see on a day-to-day basis, including plenty of videos from Africa of Chinese workers humiliating or abusing their 'stupid monkey' colleagues, teaching their kids Chinese sentences that mean things like 'I'm a monkey nigger'.

Oh and to give a proper answer to this 'why', Well, I live here but my Chinese isn't great (yet). What I have noticed, and is widely accepted in fact, is that Cantonese (Guangdong/HK) sounds remarkably like Vietnamese, particularly the south, due to their shared history, borrowed words etc. 60% of Vietnamese are borrowed from Chinese.

If I'm not listening out specifically for what's being said, I can easily mistake Cantonese for Vietnamese in exactly the same way I can mistake Italian and Spanish if I'm not focussing, too.

Thankfully, as I said, this is not even relevant because it's still an absolutely true occurrence in China

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