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RE: Quote - NOTHING declares world-changing ambition like a space rocket
The answer is simple. Drop the assumption that a system of labor for money has to exist, that money itself has to exist. It doesn't.
Technology should free us, not impoverish us. But the fact of the matter is that in our monetary system we are slaves competing for work with our own tools, tools which we ourselves are improving all the time.
Unfortunately people have a hard time imagining a world without money, they think it's communism.
I don't think it is that simple and I don't think anyone who doesn't think it is that simple is a communist. Humans have one sense that no other animal on earth has. A sense of fairness. There problem with getting rid of all "reward systems" (that is what money is) is that there will always be some people who need to do various jobs.
While the number of people needed could be many, many times smaller than the current number of people working, without some sort of reward system, how long before the few doing those jobs will get upset and fight for fairness? Even a volunteer system cannot be sustained indefinitely. Eventually, there will come a time when the vast majority will not volunteer and the system will break down..
Plus, there is a part of humans that likes to be rewarded for their efforts. People do not respect things given to them nearly as much as things they work for. Can we change the idea of work to something different? Something that is not a necessity? Sure. But what happens when jealousy sets in and Sue thinks her creation is worth two of Mike's creation, not just one?
the point I am trying to make is without goals, without something to strive for and a reward system to go along with it, apathy sets in. People become unhappy. We don't need to do away with every type of reward system, we need to regulate the one we have with fairness, while working toward relieve the stress and pressures off people.
So nobody will do anything for anyone without thought of reward for themselves? Yup, that sounds like the typical reaponse from a market system supporter. All that means is that YOU wouldn't help people without rewards, but don't speak for humanity. One has to be incredibly short sighted to not at least try to contribute to a system that actually takes care of everybody. The "reward" is that everyone is taken care of. It's ok, just dismiss this, I can tell it's not getting through anyway.
OK, you have made it obvious that no matter what I say, I am wrong so have a nice life. Twisting my words doesn't bother me, it actually gives me a good laugh. So yes, as of this moment, I am dismissing YOU. The fact is, I was agreeing with you except for the fact that my ideas gets us to the exact same place, without killing off 93% of the worlds population. Your anger and apathy is already eating you from the inside out, so you sort of made my point.
Why don't you re-read this thing? I didn't twist anything around, you're the one who thought I said anyone who disagrees is a communist. And I gave you that attitude not because you were rude, but because I was annoyed at you not getting it and frankly you'd be annoyed too if you had explained these things to as many people as I have only for it to go over their heads almost every time.
https://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/education/
That link has a free pdf you can download that explains everything far better than I've explained. I suggest you give it a read, it's a pretty long read but it's worth it.
Sorry, I have no need to read it yet again. I have tried to have an intelligent conversation with literally hundreds of people that jump first and ask questions later on this subject. I have been called every name in the book by people like you. It does nothing but prove to me you have little understanding of people. Perhaps you understand a small portion of the whole of humanity, but if your plans are to only bring the select few to your utopia, you will fail. You are not winning minds to your views by treating people like you are so far superior to them. Perhaps the most damning thing about those of you I have spoke with is, not a single one has been able to tell me how you plan to make this happen without killing off a large portion of the human race.
Ok, have fun with your point of view on life, that nothing can be done to change the system so we must just kill mpst people. Lead by example though, get us started, yeah?