This was an audience question about how strict libertarians would address the issue of climate change. I gave some thoughts, but not being a libertarian myself, I'd love to hear from the many libertarians on Steemit...
The sun is the source of energy, yes. The changes of the sun are having more and more of a cooling effect as it gets weaker and weaker, this is correct.
It is also correct that if you run a 500W heater it will get hotter in a small well isolated room than in a similarily sized tent with holes all over (like a yurt). In this case, climate gases have the impact of isolation.
I have no idea myself either. I would like to be acquainted too of how libertarians would tackle this climate change issue ?? I heard about an EU Blockchain tracking the emissions and so ... but does this relate to libertarianism?
The entire reason we have any pollution at all on this planet is the same reason we have poverty, war, and any other atrocity you can think of—which is: power and corruption.
We shouldn’t be guilting people for chugging their plastic water bottles while flying down the freeway in the fast lane. They’re just trying to enjoy their time here. Instead, spread truth. Knock down worldviews by going after the premise itself, and get people talking about REAL things—not power and money grabs.
Yes, pollution can be regarded as an initiation of aggression similar to theft. (It's not a problem with libertarianism that state court systems -- and for that matter, state licensing and regulating -- have allowed all this stuff to happen and failed to regard it as a problem.)
You're tilting at windmills over the things you think libertarians think, when the system that's currently in place has proven itself entirely ineffective at policing climate.
@kennyskitchen basically laid it out, but of course taking responsibility for yourself isn't the answer you were looking for. What you want is an excuse to micro-manage other people under the guise of fixing a problem, whether or not you're effective at fixing it.
Libertarianism won't give you that, but it does give you every single possible way to help solve it p2p and peacefully.
Going forward, in a truly decentralized world, you'll probably have reputation based (court-like) systems that incorporate a person's footprint, just like you need a way to track who is a rapist, who owes money on bills, etc., and this would be a practical incentive for people to treat the planet well.
Or more inside the box, libertarianism at least doesn't actively create problems, like subsidies to the meat and dairy industry or a transportation system that begs for everyone to pollute whenever they go somewhere. Or global warfare for that matter.
Without those things, and without a court system that wouldn't dare hurt the interests of their corporate pals, I'm not sure the problem would really even be a thing.
I think this is an underpinning of some of the potential pitfalls on being STRICTLY libertarian.
If you "defang" government to the point that it cannot encroach on individual liberty, or state liberty, it has been declawed to the point that it can't effectively do anything.
For instance, in the beginning of the country, before the constitution, the government couldn't force states to pay taxes, for instance, to maintain the military, which is something that everyone benefited from. We took that to just about the brink, with the articles of confederation, before we finally hammered down, a broader more powerful federal government out of necessity.
I'm not sure the strong centralized US military went on to run up a good track record for your point here :)
But I actually see it as the opposite. When you have "libertarianish" aspects of a centralized state, it seems possibly the worst of both worlds. Like businesses who are free to go after profit, but then a centralized court system who allows them to pollute.
Whereas if/when there is an absence of government, you'd also have a different licensing and regulating mechanism, which (I would argue) would actually keep pollution and other bad behavior in check.
I wasn't trying to say what it all became is the greatest and requires no thought about the matter, I was trying to say we had a really libertarian society once, during our countries infancy, and we ended it for very specific reasons.
Libertarianism seems like a middle age man thinking back on his "glory days" and forgetting about how much he hated it when he was living through it..
Government can change and act in ways that don't necessarily reflect what the people want. And since the government is steered most by the people inside it (or well connected to it), there's generally a pressure towards larger government. So whether "we" decided to move in that direction is I think unclear.
And even if we did, it doesn't mean we were right.
Most people who think about libertarianism I think are usually thinking about principles and the best way forward, I don't think that many are basing it on the past or how things were in early US history.
At least, I know I certainly don't.
I see what you meant tho and appreciate your clarification.
The biggest thing you could do on the individual level is to reduce, or as I would advocate for, eliminate your support for animal agriculture. The fossil fuel industry is on the way out as renewable energy shows up. What needs to change is the amount of methane production and deforestation caused by farm animals.
You could ask the same question of peace keeping or any other sphere of public life where your freedoms are superseded by the rights of your neighbours. Obviously there would need to be an agreement and enforcement of that agreement, which I would call government. The question to libertarians is, how do you ensure that this authority's power comes from the bottom up, rather than the top down?
There is evidence of climate changes on Venus and Mars too.
So, the Sun is a likely cause.
The sun is the source of energy, yes. The changes of the sun are having more and more of a cooling effect as it gets weaker and weaker, this is correct.
It is also correct that if you run a 500W heater it will get hotter in a small well isolated room than in a similarily sized tent with holes all over (like a yurt). In this case, climate gases have the impact of isolation.
Eating meat = climate change
yup!!
and eating meat while pretending to care about the climate and trying to micro manage other people into respecting the climate = pure nutiness
I have no idea myself either. I would like to be acquainted too of how libertarians would tackle this climate change issue ?? I heard about an EU Blockchain tracking the emissions and so ... but does this relate to libertarianism?
i just do my best and sip down
In the absence of government tyranny, we’d have free energy:
https://www.wanttoknow.info/freeenergy
The entire reason we have any pollution at all on this planet is the same reason we have poverty, war, and any other atrocity you can think of—which is: power and corruption.
We shouldn’t be guilting people for chugging their plastic water bottles while flying down the freeway in the fast lane. They’re just trying to enjoy their time here. Instead, spread truth. Knock down worldviews by going after the premise itself, and get people talking about REAL things—not power and money grabs.
Yes, pollution can be regarded as an initiation of aggression similar to theft. (It's not a problem with libertarianism that state court systems -- and for that matter, state licensing and regulating -- have allowed all this stuff to happen and failed to regard it as a problem.)
You're tilting at windmills over the things you think libertarians think, when the system that's currently in place has proven itself entirely ineffective at policing climate.
@kennyskitchen basically laid it out, but of course taking responsibility for yourself isn't the answer you were looking for. What you want is an excuse to micro-manage other people under the guise of fixing a problem, whether or not you're effective at fixing it.
Libertarianism won't give you that, but it does give you every single possible way to help solve it p2p and peacefully.
Going forward, in a truly decentralized world, you'll probably have reputation based (court-like) systems that incorporate a person's footprint, just like you need a way to track who is a rapist, who owes money on bills, etc., and this would be a practical incentive for people to treat the planet well.
Or more inside the box, libertarianism at least doesn't actively create problems, like subsidies to the meat and dairy industry or a transportation system that begs for everyone to pollute whenever they go somewhere. Or global warfare for that matter.
Without those things, and without a court system that wouldn't dare hurt the interests of their corporate pals, I'm not sure the problem would really even be a thing.
(But blame peaceful cooperation.. ya.. ::rolls eyes::)
I think this is an underpinning of some of the potential pitfalls on being STRICTLY libertarian.
If you "defang" government to the point that it cannot encroach on individual liberty, or state liberty, it has been declawed to the point that it can't effectively do anything.
For instance, in the beginning of the country, before the constitution, the government couldn't force states to pay taxes, for instance, to maintain the military, which is something that everyone benefited from. We took that to just about the brink, with the articles of confederation, before we finally hammered down, a broader more powerful federal government out of necessity.
I'm not sure the strong centralized US military went on to run up a good track record for your point here :)
But I actually see it as the opposite. When you have "libertarianish" aspects of a centralized state, it seems possibly the worst of both worlds. Like businesses who are free to go after profit, but then a centralized court system who allows them to pollute.
Whereas if/when there is an absence of government, you'd also have a different licensing and regulating mechanism, which (I would argue) would actually keep pollution and other bad behavior in check.
I wasn't trying to say what it all became is the greatest and requires no thought about the matter, I was trying to say we had a really libertarian society once, during our countries infancy, and we ended it for very specific reasons.
Libertarianism seems like a middle age man thinking back on his "glory days" and forgetting about how much he hated it when he was living through it..
I see..
Government can change and act in ways that don't necessarily reflect what the people want. And since the government is steered most by the people inside it (or well connected to it), there's generally a pressure towards larger government. So whether "we" decided to move in that direction is I think unclear.
And even if we did, it doesn't mean we were right.
Most people who think about libertarianism I think are usually thinking about principles and the best way forward, I don't think that many are basing it on the past or how things were in early US history.
At least, I know I certainly don't.
I see what you meant tho and appreciate your clarification.
The biggest thing you could do on the individual level is to reduce, or as I would advocate for, eliminate your support for animal agriculture. The fossil fuel industry is on the way out as renewable energy shows up. What needs to change is the amount of methane production and deforestation caused by farm animals.
You could ask the same question of peace keeping or any other sphere of public life where your freedoms are superseded by the rights of your neighbours. Obviously there would need to be an agreement and enforcement of that agreement, which I would call government. The question to libertarians is, how do you ensure that this authority's power comes from the bottom up, rather than the top down?
"The question to libertarians is, how do you ensure that this authority's power comes from the bottom up, rather than the top down?"
Being libertarian means basically disbelieving in such a possibility... They're more concerned with how do they keep kids off their lawn.
just Live !
Muh free market fairy will take care of it!