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RE: American Exceptionalism in Anarchy - Short Quiz to see if you've been brainwashed!

in #nationalism6 years ago (edited)

Well, there are a lot of views on that, but I don’t disagree that economic systems are abusive and inhumane under state control.

Still, buying a smartphone is a far cry from buying a human. That’s hyperbole.
I wonder if they’d be better off without the jobs?

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/apple-supports-4-8-million-jobs-in-china-more-than-double-us-total/amp/

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economic systems are usually more abusive and inhumane under not under state control. So buying a phone made from materials mined by slaves is somehow better than buying slaves?

economic systems are usually more abusive and inhumane under not under state control.

Can you substantiate this claim with solid evidence?

Somalia, for just one very potent example, doesn’t agree with you:

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/fee.org/articles/somalia-failed-state-economic-success//amp

And also the claim that iphone component materials are mined by slaves.

I think both yourself and @lennstar don’t seem to grasp what a huge stack of corpses 262 million + is. That’s only in the last century or so, not counting war. Victims of democide. Anything would be better than that.

Although, again. To suggest that buying an iphone is the same as holding someone personally captive and beating them is dishonest at worst. Ignorant at best.

Somalia is not a land without a government, it is a land run by western powers, criminals and pirates. And it sucks ass, if you wanted to go there and travel around safely you would have to pay a whole truckload of AK toting young men to accompany you. I am sure you saw that dollar vigilante recent report from there, that's what he had to do. Otherwise your fair skinned self will be kidnapped within a day. In Somalia life is nasty brutish and short. The life expectancy there is only 52 years. Is Somalia your example of anarchy working?
Is your argument, "dude, we don't need a government because look at how great things are in Somalia?
Somalia, where they have fucking pirates, in 2018?
My example for "economic systems are usually more abusive and inhumane not under state control." is Somalia, it is a shithole. You wouldn't want to live there or even visit.

262 million is not that many and you left out the most important caveat, those people were killed by their own governments in countries that imposed restrictions on free speech and gun control, they are victims of communism and fascism. 262 million out of how many people have lived over the last 100 years?

So its OK ethically to purchase items made with slave labor?
I disagree and boycotted Hershey chocolate back in 2012, when they pledged to stop using child slave labor by 2020, I figured all the child slaves would be grown up by then. Not much of a pledge if you ask me.

Did you even read the article? I’ll take that as a big “no.”

Not that many. A tolerable amount of human death at the hands of the state.

Right then.

your decade old opinion piece that made claims such as this:

the piracy is committed against passing foreign vessels is a tribute to the internal effectiveness of Somali customary law.

How could anyone not agree with everything that said after reading it?

It's always a questionable argument when someone says a total over some period they have chosen and presents it out of context and expects it to be shocking. What's less important than the total is the trend, which way is it going? Is the rate higher now or 100 years ago?
Would you really prefer a system where you can murder a man for 100 camels or a woman for only 50 camels?
Somalia is a shithole, its top rated attraction, something built by those evil colonial fellows, on Trip Advisor is currently closed to tourists due to warlords.

that economic systems are abusive and inhumane under state control.

Not to mention the far worse conditions without state control.
For example cobalt, where 3/4 is coming from Congo. But unfortunately often not from where the state rules, but where the warlords reign.
Which means, basically, slaves (because the people often cannot leave) and sometimes child soldiers. Far less then the 30'000 there used to be 20 years ago, but still some.

BS. See above comment, and please substantiate these claims guys!

With the withdrawal of U.N. forces the immediate prospect for installing a new government diminished—and with it so did the fighting. Somalia’s entire experience with formal government has been one of plunder and resource extraction by the ruling elite. As long as there was a prospect for a new government, each clan had a strong incentive to fight to make sure it was on the receiving, rather than giving, end of the plundering. Once there was no longer the immediate prospect for a new central government the clans began to settle back into their traditional customary and mostly peaceful relationships with one another.

Just one example of many:

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/fee.org/articles/somalia-failed-state-economic-success//amp

Regardless. Forcing your will upon non-violent others is immoral. The end. So even if you had all the hard-hitting rationalizations in the world, it wouldn’t matter.

Violence is immoral and supporting a system founded entirely on violence is as well.

262 million dead bodies in the last century are calling you a liar right now.

We don’t need more poison to control the poison! We need logic, love, and common sense.

Hopefully you have them!

Because the folks you are promoting are child rapist, village pillaging, health destroying, infant-flash-melting mass murderers.

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