Here is why I believe day traders lose money

in #money7 years ago


Background: I used to work for a large hedge fund in a technology role. The hedge fund employed quantitative strategies in addition to a large array of research analysts.

I have been trading on my own for more than a year. I have had some great profits, and great losses.
I wrote this for all those who think they can make quick money in the market by choosing a security and choosing a time and direction. Listen up.

You are an uninformed trader. You do not have any special information about the future which is not also available to the professionals.

All "easy" informed trading is done almost immediately by computers. An example is: stock A is at $10. There is new information which is clearly bullish. Within a second, the stock will be at $12. The new price reflects the new information. You cannot beat the computers at informed trading.

New "complex" information about an asset has to be analysed and accepted by others for it to be trade-worthy. You can not hope to be a better analyst than professionals who have training, tools and access to insiders. That doesn't mean all analysts are right or in agreement, but only that their opinion is more informed than yours. Again, you cannot hope to profit using analysis of "complex" information if the market doesn't agree with you. Reading a Seeking Alpha article (and the comments) is not analysis.
After the information is priced in, any further price movement is driven by supply-demand and not by new information. You cannot guess at supply-demand. It happens in real time and big traders fiercely protect the content of their future orders. I laugh at people who buy $TWTR AFTER getting the information that Jack Dorsey also bought some last week. There may be a sentiment rally if others start buying, there may not be. You really don't know.

Charting is useful only in hindsight. Prior price/volume action has no bearing on future price/volume action. You say pivot points? Let us say SPY is reaching 237.00 from above. Everybody says it is an important "support". What does that mean? Will it break that support or not? If it breaks, will it go much lower, or bounce back up to reclaim the support? Again, you don't know. Today SPY broke and bounced off that support 3 or 4 times before definitively breaking down. Which break-down is definitive? It is only clear in hindsight.

Now, all the above should make it clear that, in essence, you are an uninformed trader, that is, you are trading blind. That means, charitably speaking, that your chances of the asset moving in a favorable direction are 50-50.
But still you will lose. There are two reasons for this. One relates to the way trades happen, and other is about human psychology.

(a) If you place a limit buy or limit sell, your order will only execute while the ticker is moving unfavorably to you. That is, if the stock is moving down from your limit buy price, your buy order will execute. And if it is moving up beyond your limit sell price, your sell order will execute. In each case (unless you are closing a trade), you are immediately at a loss as the price continues its movement.
(UPDATE: If the price is not moving much, you are immediately at a loss due to the bid/ask spread. And you likely bought because you thought it was a bargain and the recent past showed a downward price movement and you were bullish on it. More often than not, price movement continues in the same direction. Reversals are rare and hard to time.)
This means, that

(b) You immediately are in pain. You see a loss and will likely see it widening as the price movement continues.
Now you have many options:

i) You can exit the trade at a loss. Bummer.

ii) You can execute another trade in the same direction to average your price. This again suffers from the same problem. The price is moving away from you while all your orders execute. Your new trade is as uninformed as the last one.
iii) You can hold the bag, "hoping" for a reversal.
Both in (ii) and (iii), you are now holding the bag.
Let us talk about that.
Usually, the price will continue to move while you see the red becoming redder. You regret the trade. You are stressed. You have averaged it 3, maybe 4 times already. You want to at least exit at break-even.
Therefore, as soon as the price reverses and it shows you a modest profit, you will itch to book the profit and relax. Hence, you will make the all-too-common (but understandable) trader mistake of holding your losers and quitting your winners. After the trade shows some green, because you have experienced the red, you will be afraid that it will again go red. You will be wanting to not go through that pain again.
Therefore you will usually see losers in your portfolio with a loss % of 20 or even 50, but you will never see that kind of profit %. Ever. You would have booked the profit at 2% or 5%.
So what's the consequence? Even assuming each trade has a 50-50 chance of going your way, your losses will always be bigger than your winners.
Eventually, you will curse trading and seek gainful employment.

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The Warren Buffet method is much better then trying to find tops and bottoms. Bet on industries for the long haul and ignore the noise. If you had bet on Bitcoin and held for 7 years you will be much better off then trying to trade your way to higher profits. In addition, all the fees you pay for trading eats up your profit as well, hodl and you get charged no fees.

Thanks for this.
Have a follow.

I agree. Holding coins was the most profitable for me last 2 months.

You need to tie a bandana over your eyes, forget about averaging and be the trade.

When you truly feel it, let the trade guide you

ROFL, great post mate!

thanks for this info. you just saved my day

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