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Risk is everywhere. It surrounds us all the time, in every field of our lives. Most people underestimate risk or quite right ignore it. Definitely the current hedonistic-liberal society doesn't put much emphasis on risk, but ignorance is not bliss, and ignoring the risks will mean that something very bad will happen along down the road.

Risk is like an immaterial realm that surrounds us, its is the possible bad events that could happen in the future. If you imagine the arrow of time to be like a branch in a tree that branches out as you go into the future. As you make a choice, you have many options that you can choose from, and most of the time only a few of them is good, while the others are bad. Well then in this analogy the risk is the unknown uncertainty, that the other branches could lead too.

To give you an example:

  • When you wake up from the bed at morning you have 2 probable choices out of many:
    • Stay at home and go back to sleep
    • Go to work, but then:
      • You either successfully arrive at work
      • Or you get hit by a bus and die

Now these are the paths that could exist, of course there are many more paths, probably infinite choices, some are more probable some are less, but each choice carries a kind of uncertainty with it, well that is the risk what we call risk. You can't know for sure which choice will carry what kind of risk, but you can estimate it and then choose the option that carries the least amount of risk.




Risk Management

It is very important for an intelligent person to manage his own risk. For that we must first quantify it. Well I think the general formula is this:

RISK = - Probability of bad event * Amount of loss if bad event happens

If we are talking about finance, it's quite obvious. What is the probability that I will lose money? And how much will I lose if I do? And then multiply the two together.

Your goal is to minimize the risk, that is the rational thing to do. It makes absolutely no sense to be exposed to big risk, unless there is a reward attached to it.

But when we are talking just about wealth preservation, and not investing, then the primary goal is to preserve the wealth, and not necessarily grow it, that is just optional. It is more important to keep the money than to multiply it, but the money has to be risked in order to be multiplied.


Calculating Risk

Well it's really hard to calculate risk since there are not many statistics around. While it's easy to calculate your risk of exposing yourself to a car accident, it's very difficult to calculate your financial risk. There are experts for this, but even you can roughly estimate it.

For example if you are worried about hackers stealing your Bitcoins, well it's pretty hard to sample the probability of your wallet getting hacked, especially when all other victims have probably done different kinds of mistakes that resulted from them being hacked, so we can't establish a controlled variable, the estimation would be inaccurate.

But we could approach this from another angle, I don't think it can be quantified, but you can feel with your instincts that certain protocols of storing wealth are more safer than others. Let's do a thought experiment for this.


Thought experiment

Let's say you have 50,000$ that you gained from cryptocurrencies, and you are in a dilemma whether you should store that money in a bank or leave it in Bitcoin. So this 50,000$ is perfectly legitimate money that is after-tax, you did everything legally, and you obtained it from Bitcoin mining, just for the sake of this example, and you have 2 choices:

  • Should you put it in a Bank , or
  • Should you keep it in Bitcoin




Bank

Ok so it's perfectly white money obtained legally, however every sum above 10,000$ is investigated regardless, so your money will probably be analyzed, and there is a quite big risk that your account can get frozen and you can be a victim of civil asset forteiture, just like that. It doesn't matter if you did everything legally, your Bitcoin address could be tainted with drug money when you exchanged that through a Bitcoin exchange, and although the risk is lower if you had good KYC, nontheless it is there, that the funds can be seized.

We know that a civil asset forfeiture is pretty much permanent, you will never see that money again, you can get into a lengthy legal battle to recover that money, but the lawyers will probably cost you more, so it's a 100% loss. We don't know the probability of this though, so the risk factor here is:

Confiscation Risk = -X * 100%

But we know that the probability is not 0, in fact it's quite common, of course many people could be involved in shady activities and that is why their money is stolen, but take a look at Burt, he was a normal guy, and he got fucked hard by civil asset forfeiture just for swapping BTC into USD:

And there are other events too:

So we see people's bank accounts constantly getting seized after they deposit bigger sums of money that have a questionable origin. And this happens everywhere, most of them don't even get reported, I mean if a poor old grandma could lose everything, then imagine how many people get fucked with this tyrannical law:

I'd say the probability of civil asset forfeiture even if the Bitcoin revenue is legitimate, is around 20%. So I think every person out of 5 has or will have in the future, their wealth seized by a Totalitarian Government. So with this estimation it looks like this:

Forfeiture Risk = 0.2 * -50,000$ = -10000 $

This means that you already lost 10,000$ hypothetically even if you never become a victim of civil asset forfeiture, and if you do, then you lose all of it.

Then you have the bail-in risk, which is again a 100% loss scenario, even the Cyprus bail-in was a 50% haircut, but the next one could be a 100% one since the risk of the Banks is even higher, and they have the authority to bail in the funds of their customers if they face bankruptcy.

Although the probability of this is lower, kinda giving you a very rough example, if a financial collapse happens like every 7-8 years, and one is definitely due next year, or even this year, then the probability of experiencing this today would be 0.005479452. The next collapse can easily result in a massive bail-in program, one way or the other the banks will be rescued, and it will cost the citizens a lot. So add this to the bucket:

Bailin Risk = 0.005479452 * -50000$ = -273.97260274$

Then you have the hack/ credit card theft risk, but that is minor in a bank account, since TX can be reversed, but only in a certain time window, so it kinda sucks, but I will just not count this in, because the other ones are already overwhelming.

So your total risk with a Bank account would be roughly: -10274 $, which is 20% of your wealth.

Now that is a lot of fucking risk for money that is sitting only idle. Since we won't count in the rewards, but as you know a yearly 1% bank interest is nothing.




Bitcoin

Now instead of calculating the risk of storing the money in Bitcoin, we should instead ask ourselves, will the risk will be lower in Bitcoin or not. Because if it is, then it is only rational to keep the money in Bitcoin instead.

  • Asset forfeiture:
    • Well that risk is eliminated in Bitcoin entirely if you hold your BTC in your own wallet where you control the private key. If you are stupid enough to store your BTC in a centralized wallet, then it’s really no different than a Bank but with all the other disadvantages.
  • Bail-in risk:
    • Again, there is no bail-in if you store your Bitcoin on your own wallet, safely.

So it looks like the risk of storing 50,000$ in BTC is zero. Well not so fast. While the hacking risk can be mostly ignored in a Bank since it’s insured and too-big-to-fail, in Bitcoin it can’t be. Furthermore there could be technical glitches. And the market price could go down, so there are new kinds of risks here.

But regardless we only need to determine whether the risk will be higher than 20% or not.


So let’s take them 1 by one:

  • Sending to a wrong address: Well if you do then it’s a 100% loss, but BTC has a 32 bit checksum, so the probability of that is 1 out of 4.3 billion, so we will just discount this. Plus if you copy paste the address and there is no reason why it would be buggy, it’s probably never going to happen to you.

  • Memory bug calculating the wrong address and sending it there (or other signing bug): Well the wonder of BTC is that it is not an online interface. You can sign the transaction offline, and then move it to an online wallet. Assuming that the signer software on the offline PC and the one on the online PC are genuine, they would never let through an invalid TX, nor would the blockchain accept it. However if accidentally a character is flipped in the memory then again the odds of sending to an invalid address is the same, but if it sends to another address in the same wallet, then that can be just visually inspected. I assume that if you send like 50,000$ in 1 transaction you quadruple-check it that you make sure it sends it to the right address, so in this case the risk is of this is also negligible, because verifying the same TX on different computers is already a good checkpoint to detect a bug like this.

  • Software integrity problem: Well for larger sums, I really think people should triple or quadruple verify the integrity of their software, using hash checksums, and GPG signatures that wallet providers give out. Also cross verifying the fingerprint of the GPG signature from multiple websites is also a good idea. I think the odds of using a malwared Bitcoin walled is pretty low, and even if it’s a malware, if it’s executed on a trusted environment, like an offline PC, then it still can’t leak out private keys. Even if it’s a malware wallet that sends out your private key the moment you sign the transaction, via a secret network channel. Well if you do the signing on an offline PC, then even this malware wallet would work exactly like a genuine one, and it would have no way of leaking the private key. So isolating softwares can already eliminate trojan/keylogger risks.

  • Software bug: Again there could be zero day bugs in a software, that could compromise the private key generation and the signing mechanism. I think people should always use a stable release of any software, and not always the latest one, especially if all kinds of changes happened in the latest release that affect the core parts of the software. I think the risk of this can easily be mitigated by being conservative and cautious.

  • Malware: Well the solution to this is very simple. Ditch Windows, and start using Linux if you are serious about avoiding malware. Then again you should not click on all kinds of links, be more careful with the websites you visit, and never give root/admin access to untrustworthy software. Combine this with offline cold storage, and compartimentalizing workspaces through virtual machines and things like that. I think the risk of malware related private key exfiltration is pretty low.

  • Market risk: Well it is true that Bitcoin’s price swings up and down 50% all the time, so you could easily lose a lot of money that way, however even then the price generally recovers. I can’t really see the price plummet back to 100$. And the probability of even a 50% loss is slim that would stay there. But the rewards usually cover the losses here, unless you start to liquidate your Bitcoin holdings at a low price. An unrealized loss is not a big deal. And Bitcoin has far more upside potential than downside. Everyone was crying who bought at 1000$ back in 2013, and you only had to wait 3 years and they recovered all their losses. So it is possible that nobody loses here if they hold all the way through and ignore the drawdown.

  • Wallet/Password Loss: I think the far biggest risk in Bitcoin is the fact that people lose their password/wallet. I have seen this so many times. Everyone is talking about hackers and scammers, but the really biggest risk is that people lose their wallet , their computer crashes, their hard-drive burns down and their lose their wallet. Well this is quite easy to mitigate, just keep 4-5 backups of your wallet. I have like 10 backups on USB sticks, CD, and even on cloud storage, heavily encrypted of course. So this is not even a risk, because only dumb people fall for this, and what can I say, it is the stupidity tax.



CONCLUSION

So overall the risk conclusion is pretty obvious. While Bitcoin carries a lot of technical challenges, it has different risks compared to a Bank, however all the risks that BTC carries the bank carries it too, it’s just that they are under the umbrella of the insurance ponzi system, which is unsustainable by the way. You can’t collectivize risk, that only makes the risk grow, it has to be segregated.

In Bitcoin the risk is segregated, if an idiot loses 5000 BTC because he didn’t backup his wallet, we don’t have to pay into a insurance ponzi scheme to rescue his sorry ass. Meanwhile in the banking sector the systemic risk is huge and imminent, it will make the entire system collapse at some point.

The “too big to fail” concept is a very moronic risk management tactic. Collective risk makes all things collapse since it removes individual responsibility.

So Bitcoin is not just immune from collective risks, but it actually provides so many options, that you can reduce your own risk by orders of magnitudes compared to the traditional banking system.

The malware/technical risk is really not that big, and that is also present in the banking system, where it can be much higher.

And the wallet loss risk, is really just the curse of the stupid people. It’s segregated, so only stupid people who don’t backup their stuff suffer from it, thus assuming you are an intelligent person, you don’t.

So it looks like to me that the risk of storing money in Bitcoin is by orders of magnitudes lower than storing it in a Bank Account.

This is why I store most of my wealth in cryptocurrencies, it’s just the smart thing to do in my opinion.


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You gotta risk it for the biscuit. I saw an interesting video on tedtalks. people with good risk analysis as a seperate form of intellgence & that it was profession driven.

Doctors and health care professions are less likely to take risks then bankers and traders.

Check it out. It changed my life.

Edit- I look at life this way and take risks accordingly. Like you said no big risks unless bigger reward. I always look for positive expectation or very low chance of losing and a bigger reward even if it is relatively low!

Interesting video. It is only rational to take risks if the rewards are higher. We call this positive expectancy since it involves the probabilities as well, it looks like this:

EXP = Reward * Prob_of_reward - Loss * Prob_of_loss

Irrational risk aversion is not good either. But it's related to personality as well. I am a big risk taker, but I take calculated risks usually.

I am too. I used to place 5k bet every weekend on a market that paid 10% and 99.5% chance of winning.

Edited- Used to the market disappeared after doing this for a year.

And you lost it all? Because if that was a possibility then the risk was just awful.

Risking 10% gradually and then the thing goes away, that surely sounds very risky to me.

It's hard to explain without just telling you, I saw an opportunity that I could cover a betting market, where the chance of losing was estimated to be 0.05% chance. It was in a rugby union market. I covered all options except the rare event occurring, it was over 100-1 of this even occurring.

I maxed bet it every weekend for 5000 dollars and I would get 5500 back, hence the 10% profit.

If I hedged the rare market I would get 5250, so a 250 profit.

The reason it went away is because the bookies realised after the season that they were losing money some where! That's why I can no longer do it because they have made the margin so long now. Before they did I cleaned up over 10k profit.

What I am saying is, I was risk smart, I knew that the event from occurring would have to happen less than 10 times for me to have negative expectation, now the event would have to happen 2 times for me to lose everything. It's about having guts and the maths behind you, that's what I am saying.

If I am been a bit vague, it's because I know they read these posts too...

Wow that sounds like a +1.0895 expectancy. Sounds like the bookies have really fucked up.

Yeah it's hard to be a small bookie, there are probably many arbitrage opportunities if you bet at small bookies like at horse races and things like that. If they don't react fast and match their odds against others then arbitrage opportunity arises.

But online betting is different, here the market is more liquid, and the possibility of arbitrage, of any kind, is lowered if the market is liquid.

One time the odds were really inflated. I put 50 down they adjusted it and I cashed out offered me 300, I took it. Quickest money ever.

Really good article on risk. You got deep in the subject!

Thanks, I worked in finance, I know all the secrets of markets and investing.

I would really like to know these secrets....

Take risks or risk life

Maybe storing some bitUSD at bitshares might be an option. I still try to find out how secure bitshares is from theft and scam. It certainly is better than centralized exchanges.
For USDT there is only spyware wallet available and the token is like banking, but bitUSD is too.

I don't know how decentralized it is, that is the main benchmark if you are worried about political risk. I have heard that they have not that many nodes and mostly in the US, so that is not that good in general.

you are right.

If you don't risk you won't win.

And as bitcoin wallets mature, the risks should be even lower.
Bitcoin wallets should be able to ping off of some other wallet.
(but we don't have a name space yet)
We should have the wallet send a message to another wallet, "hey, is this you?" and get back confirmation, that it is, and then complete the transaction.

You could do this now, but it would cost 2x processing fees.

That's not it, there are many more risks other than software related, I think I'll write another article about this, this is a lenghty article but I haven't got deep into it, risk is a big subject.

Hi PG, what are we hoping for if cryto goes up? Are we hoping more places adopt it more, because cashing out seems really risky!

I think there is a lot of "dark" money in Bitcoin, that will never get cashed out, mostly on the deep-web. So because of this the price of Bitcoin will most likely never drop below a certain value, criminals don't cash out their money, as even if you exchange your BTC to cash you can get busted, and certaintly criminals don't withdraw to a bank account.

So because of this the price of Bitcoin will be steady, I don't think it can go below 1000$.

Plus let's not forget that people lose their wallets all the time, just the other day a loss of 5000 BTC was reported, like a few months ago.

So it looks like the price of Bitcoin will go up regardless of what happens around it, in the long term. It's bullish long term in my opinion.


What happens in the short term doesnt really matter. Even the crazy people who bought at the peak in 2013, got their money back in 2016. So it's really hard to lose money in bitcoin due to market risk.

I think the market risk of Bitcoin is not a big deal, I worry more about software/malware related risks.

Sorry, I should have specified risk of bad/mis/mal-transaction.
That is completely an interface problem.

The risk of bitcoin going down in price, as above commenter asked, would be almost unthinkable. As there are so many pressures for higher prices. More people getting in, more people learning about it, more investors, more usage, more. So the risk of it going down would be all of those items reversing together.

And if actually starts being used to settle international trade, the price would miss the moon completely on its way to mars.

I would love to see more articles in this area. Especially with numbers and statistics.

You might wanna check out my latest article, I wrote a very detailed risk analysis of Bitcoin:

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