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RE: Why Would God Permit Suffering?

in #metaphysics • 7 years ago

Hi @n1mr0d, have you heard of Process Philosophy? These thinkers argue that God is finite and has a stake in how the world plays out, just as we do. It's an interesting attempt to reconcile these issues. Though in the end I think it too fails, but you might like some of the works by these authors!

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     7 years ago (edited)

    Thanks.

    Here's the thing - If, as I presently personally think most likely, the underlying substrate of reality is that which makes decision possible (intelligence, consciousness, life, etc?) and all of reality (universe) forms this "body of "god"" (in a sort of self-referential "simulation" panpsyche sortofa dealio :-) (see: http://www.quantumgravityresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/The-code-theoretic-axiom-the-third-ontology-07.28.17.pdf) then IT is both being AND becoming at the same time.

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    "Though in the end I think it too fails ..."

    Wouldn't mind hearing your reasoning sometime :-)

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      Ah being and becoming, exactly the issue that made Plato so nervous. I am a total Jamesion, i.e., life is the manifestation of consciousness, which itself is a manifestation of phusis/being/nature. When consciousness is gone, so is being/becoming.

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      I agree I think (without more obfuscatory words to go on :-)

      The question then, is: from whence consciousness?

      James himself didn't think he had solved the dilemma did he? Didn't he just think awareness (conscious experience) was where the solution WOULD (eventually) come?

      This quote gives me hope that SOME scientists may yet be open minded enough to consider the matter more objectively into the future:

      The hard problem of consciousness must be approached through the ontological lens of 20th century physics, which tells us that reality is information theoretic and quantized at the level of Planck scale spacetime. Through careful deduction, it becomes clear that information cannot exist without consciousness (the awareness of things). To be aware is to hold the meaning of relationships of objects within consciousness (perceiving abstract objects) while enjoying degrees of freedom within the structuring of those relationships. This defines consciousness as language – a set of objects and an ordering scheme with degrees of freedom used for expressing meaning. Since information at the Planck scale cannot exist without consciousness, we propose an entity called a “primitive unit of consciousness” which acts as a mathematical operator in a quantized spacetime language." - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315496256_A_New_Approach_to_the_Hard_Problem_of_Consciousness_A_Quasicrystalline_Language_of_Primitive_Units_of_Consciousness_in_Quantized_Spacetime

      If the fabric of reality really is woven of a "primitive unit of consciousness", wowee zowee and away we go :-)

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         7 years ago 

        No, James argued the exact opposite, there is no "end game" to consciousness because consciousness is itself mere flux/change. What we believe is all there IS!

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