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RE: Swamp Party w/ Killary Clinton, Bubba Bill, & Sen Bernie Sanders AKA "This Old Man"
The fact stands. He defended a woman that just got fired for racist tweets. How many ways does Trump have to act like a racist before you allow yourself to see it? Do I need to do a little research and make a longer list, or should I just wait a few days for him to do it again?
*hella edited no idea how that came out the way it did(best assumption is being half asleep combined with having multiple windows open in edit mode?)
Fine I concede. Lets call Trump a Racist, I see him more a relic of he the past who very often sticks his foot in his mouth but you're right he does it so consistently that Its hard to defend. Its not that I don't see these idiotic things that Trump does. I see the response just as troubling, if not more. Your last list had maybe 5 or 6 examples that may have been attributed to racism, yet everytime he opens his mouth, even when it has nothing to due with race the left tries to divide the country even more by making it about race. The "Animals" comment is a perfect example of this. Trump was specifically talking about a gang that is known for committing insanely brutal animalistic acts; raping and cutting off the heads of underage girls then displaying both the head and the body for all to see, Stabbing unarmed people hundreds of times over a tiny argument. Killing entire families because of the acts of one person.
On the subject of shithole countries race was never mentioned by trump. It was mentioned by his critiques who intentionally distort his words in an attempt to furtherthe racial divide in the US. On the Charlottesville Rally, he literally said the exact opposite of what all of the left learning media outlets say he said, yet they continue to push this rhetoric. That is 100x more troubling to me than a 70 year old president who says dumb shit.
You don't want to believe it, but Muslim culture is not meshing well with western culture in Europe. Because of the exact reasons that I mentioned earlier. Nobody is saying(well nobody that I approve of is saying) that it has anything to do with race, it comes down to cultural values due to circumstance & religion
On borders, what the fuck is wrong with having borders? We cant afford to help out out people from our own country, we don't need to be taking on massive amounts of any immigrants legal or not until we get our existing ducks in order.
Thanks for having the intellectual honesty to be able to admit to something obvious when presented with facts and evidence. This may actually be the first time I have ever encountered that sort of behavior in a Trump apologist before.
Take a minute to consider what a moronic statement "the left is trying to divide the country" is. Who exactly is "the left" anyway? Is it just anybody that doesn't agree with you, or is it a certain percentage of the population? Sounds like a pretty divisive label to me.
If you would read a history book, you would know that millions of people have been called "animals" or some other dehumanizing thing, right before they are murdered or enslaved. I actually got first hand experience with this in the army. The enemy is referred to as some type of vermin or animal, in order to shed the emotional baggage that comes with doing what they do to people. The racist border agent that pulls a crying baby from her mother's arms can sleep easier, knowing that he was just handling animals, and no "real" people were hurt. If you think this shit doesn't happen every fucking day, in every corner of the world, you are either ignorant or naive.
If you can admit the President is racist, perhaps you can admit his policies are racist. It is only logical to deduce that a racist President would enact racist policies, isn't it?
Saying that he is a relic, or giving him a pass on being a racist because he is old, is unacceptable. This man has been given power that could make or break the future of this country for generations, he should be held to a higher standard. At the end of the day, the whole age/relic defense is just an admission that these ideas are outdated and backwards.
I don't live in Europe, so I only see what Guardian, BBC, Der Spiel, and a few others give me. I have met dozens of Muslims in America, and I "mesh" with them just as well as I "mesh" with Christians or atheists. All the mass shootings in America are being perpetrated by white Christians, but nobody is making the ridiculous claim that their demographic is somehow incompatible with all others. Most people, regardless of race or religion, want peace and prosperity.
There's nothing wrong with having intelligently secured borders. There's nothing wrong with having a fair and efficient system to allow people to immigrate. We have never had these things, because white politicians don't give a shit about Mexicans. That has never changed, and it certainly isn't going to change under this racist administration.
Did you even read the article you linked? You posted this response pretty fast, and you obviously didn't read it. If you would have bothered to get all the way to the bottom of the article, you would have seen that Politifact judged Newsweek's statement that the majority of mass shootings are carried out by white men as being "mostly true." Thanks for posting links that support my argument. Next time you should try reading them first, if you want to avoid looking foolish.
sorry i actually read the article, and didn't just go by the picture at the top
This is literally what i explained, again you need to read what i actually say rather then looking at the first sentence and replying
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/us/mass-murderers.html
I'm not going to watch your videos, and I'm probably done debating you.
I am glad that I was finally able to get you to admit that Trump is a racist, but I just don't have the time to take you any further here.
I feel like I am trying to untangle a box of video game controllers. It's just too time consuming to be worth the effort. I'm sorry, but I got priorities.
Please just remember that anyone that is trying to make you afraid of members of a specific race or religion is probably trying to scare you into buying in to something.
Please try to be an open minded and tolerant person. Please don't be afraid of your neighbors and countrymen because they are different.
Good night, and good luck.
He was literally talking about a gang that is known for animalistic violence
If this were his first racist comment, you would still be wrong. The POTUS shouldn't be calling any group of people animals.
Also, here's his son saying Democrats are "not even people."
Seeing a pattern here yet?
what does that have to do with race though? We've called me all sorts of things during this discussion because of our ideological differences. I still don't think you're a racist, possibly a closet racist that has been duped by democratic race baiting propaganda, but definitely not an over racist.
It's about certain patterns of behavior we see in Trump, and his supporters. If you look at these statements in a historical context, it can get pretty fucking terrifying. When the powerful start publicly stating that certain groups of people are less than human, some really ugly stuff can happen.
Trump definitely does believe that were not all equal. Which is 100% true. The left has this problem where they want equality of outcome, but forcing equality of outcome is exactly what led to the Venezuelan financial crisis, the Soviet Gulags and the Chinese Great Leap Forward, problems with the Euro, and the demise of places such as Sweeden & Greece. We on the right believe in equality of opportunity but understand that equality of outcome is an impossibility that we just have to accept
Also you're asuming quite a bit by your statement about calling people less than human. If you were to ask most mexican people they would agree with you MS-13 are animals that can go die in a fucking fire. You're literally defending one of the most ruthless gangs on teh face of the fucking planet right now dude, while telling me taht I'm wrong for supporting Trump
I am not defending MS13. I am pointing out that dehumanizing a group of people with these racist labels is dangerous, especially when it is looked at through historical context.
"The left" is not going to take your guns, force you to convert to Islam, or put you on a train to a FEMA camp. People in this country that want healthcare and education have nothing to do with communist China or Stalinist Russia. Alex Jones is pumping you full of hate and fear. He wants to sell you some gold bullion, some dietary supplements, and a water filter straw. You have been duped into hating and fearing your neighbors. We are not "the left." We are your fellow Americans, and we just want progress and equality.
And saying that just because one is racist does not mean that his policies are racist. That would be like saying because on is Christian that their policies have to be Christian
Christians do enact Christian policies. They legislate morality on everything from gay marriage to a woman's right to her own body.
Sure many attempt to but not all of them do.
On the right we have people like Ben Shapiro who is Jewish but is best friends with a gay political commontator, who routinely states that he my personally disagree with his friends choices in life, but he values individual freedom more than anything.... Ohhh i just realized this.... do you understand what the key tenants of right vs left are?
the reason why people on the right are fine with people expressing racist views, or views that they disagree with in general is because the further right you go(if you were to look at a political compass), the more personal freedom you have. Leftists by definition are more authoritarian. Communism (complete state control over the economy) being the furthest left you can go, & Anarchy(no govt whatsoever) being the furthest right you can go
That is a very one-dimensional view of the political landscape. I hate to break it to you, but it's a lot more complicated than that.
it is a 1 dimensional view, and yes things are more complicated but this 1 dimensional view is still 100% true. Anarcho-communism is a joke that does not actually exist. So please do not get me stared on that.
You don't have to live in Europe to know whats going on. I knew all about the bullshit in Europe years before any of the news outlets were reporting on it because i had tons of outspoken European friends on facebook.
Nobody sane has a problem with Muslims who choose to come here as the people who you met have. The problem is with shipping over hundreds of thousands of them who don't really want to be here. The People that you have come into contact with understand that there are cultural differences and even if they do not wish to assimilate into American culture they respect it, otherwise they would not have chose to come here. Also would add that I come from a city with a large demographic of 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims, I would say that when they choose to come here they tend to assimilate faster than other cultures actually, and very commonly let down their family because they refuse to keep up tradition.
Let me see if I got this right. You know people on Facebook that say stuff, so you know more than all the internationally operating investigative journalist networks do. I can't believe you think this, yet you have the audacity to suggest I am the one who is delusional. You are fucking out there, man.
Now you are admitting that some Muslims are compatible with American culture, while others are not. Most Trumpists don't care to make the distinction, because they are fucking racists.
No i'm saying that i have freinds who were talking about problems before they were newsworthy. You do understand that Europe has been bringing muslims over for the past 5 years yet we've only been talking about it for the past 2.
And i already said people who come here by choice are compatible. you just dont read anything i say once you find something you dont like
Again the problem comes from core values being on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. you cant say that someone who beleives that women should be covered up when they leave the house or beaten is going to be compatible is a culture where we have demonstrations such as the slutwalk. or a culture that is vehemently against gays is going to mesh well with a culture that has pride parades.
this is not to say that muslims are incapable of ever becoming fine with that, but you cant go from one extreme to the other overnight, which is why Europe is in such a fucking mess right now. Look into Tommy Robinson Shits .not as perfect as mainstream media would have you believe.
My racist aunt and uncle have been raving about hordes of invading Muslims for years. They are just regurgitating the garbage the get from propagandists. The first step to selling something is to scare the crap out of people. If someone tells you are in danger, it is usually followed by a sales pitch or an attempt to convert you. Powerful people are sucking the wealth out of this country, and they have you attacking your neighbors. It's sad to see people so mislead.
Mormon communes and Catholic monestaries make women cover up, just like Muslims do. Christian extremists hate gays the same as Muslim extremists. I was beaten and abused by parents who were devout Christians. To accuse one particular group or religion of these things, and act like every other group of people on Earth doesn't do the exact same shit is ignorant and narrow-minded.
What makes you think Europe is a mess. Please present figures and facts to back your claim. From what I can tell, by the numbers, Europe is doing pretty fucking good right now. When you compare crime rate, life expectancy, quality of life, and economy with that of the rest of the civilized world, you get a pretty clear picture. You don't need all that pesky information though. Your friends on Facebook know what's up.
Most of Europe doesn't even have freedom of the press so those numbers are bullshit. look up Tim pools trip to Sweden, or the recent tommy Robinson situation. In the UK they routinely place media gag orders on court cases. If people report on them they get thrown in jail. In Sweden they have been found by numerous people to have been falsifying statistics. It was just recently front page news that Greece was pulling down the Euro due to their extreme level of socialism. which is why hoards of migrants were choosing to come to Greece. purely for free shit. Germany and France have had large scale attack after attack after attack. The UK has both gun and stabbing statistics up 60%, with somelike like 80% of them muslim immigrants. I gotta get ready to do something but ill provide you with links tomrrow.
You're talking to someone who used to have regular conversations with quite a few independent journalists. You're here on steemit with people that are on the cutting edge of tech why do you think it would be so crazy that id be on facebook and twitter with those on the cutting edge of news?
sorry but the notion that mass shootings are a white phenomenon is false. Sure whites make up the largest number of shooters but they also make up most of the population. Some sources cite that whites are close to becoming a minority but all that means is that they are below 51% of the population. in 2014 they were 60% of the population
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/are-white-males-responsible-more-mass-shootings-an/