Great interview as always.

It is an interesting synchronicity that I am currently reading "Leaders Eat Last" by Simon Sinek in my book club right now which focuses very much on the same sort of topics that are discussed by Shawn here.

For example Sinek also talks about how a positive work-space impacts the whole company and how that must start at the top.

The whole organisation must feel trusted and valued.

Shawn - Office drama is alive and thriving in all industry types. The ones susceptible to it are those led by managers who believe work is work and people need to just do what they’re paid to do. This antiquated perspective alienates employees from their “leaders."

Brilliant point and I think we have all worked in environments like this. The fact is that this disincentivises people to do their best and results in a fall in creativity as well as productivity.

From my own personal research it seems that truly successful and innovative companies have the opposite of this attitude and in return the workers put more that they otherwise would.

The employee sees the success of their company as a form of personal success rather than a basic transaction where they are being paid for performing a job.

This kind of emotional investment is big factor in any kind of success in my opinion.